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yeah seen that, those first few photos are of it in its heyday i suspect, being chased by a 125T

cons:

been parked up for how long? outside? not so good for the bubbling (see above the indicators)

wards are extra/comes with those fugly momos

black interior (but no front seats?/bucket looks rooted)

"lot of work to make road worthy"

pros:

race susp?

mild 2l + 5 speed

twin dellortos

log book

rego on hold

its a 125 bro

bit steep for my money atm, and I already have a dirty 125 pit to pour it into.

saying that, sub $1500ish (incl the wards) id be pretty bloody tempted, (if only to rape the good bits and flick on the logbooked rolling shell)...

have i just talked myself into ringing him?

IMO the 'idiot' light switch/sender should be from another 12A/tanga - otherwise you are just getting a binary reading based on another engine (whatever you stole it from) low pressure tolerance - this light usually means 'pull over right now or ill die' but it might not depending on the car it came from and what your engine is doing

better to run a/the guage (with a light in? or + light in dash to remind you to look at guage?) so you know whats going on. i love the clean look in your car, but oil pressure is a key indicator of engine health (you could replace that other funny guage you had/wanted?)

btw those oil filter sandwich plate things usually have 4 threads - in/out for oil cooler, + guage and light senders, or you* could do a t-junction type thing for light and guage senders?

* im sure this is within your capabilities!

so parts car is no longer a potential candidate for another 125 project

only a couple of bits to go and i should just about be able to fold it into a ball and roll it out of the back of the van to recycle whats left

after i cut/drilled/yanked/chiselled/bent/kicked the guards off i realised i should have test fitted my various rims to check how low i could i go/how they looked on the car with no springs.

have got all patch panels needed to complete little blue, and i have also got at least one of everything except engine.

meanwhile have also been collecting bits and pieces for sticking on pre/post/during body work

welder:

next week me and my other new blue friend will start 'hot metal gunning' bits into little blue. im reaaaaly looking forward to making progress on this

sounds:

will run i-pod direct to this (under the seat) for running some box speakers in the under dash parcel tray/ 6's in the rear (or maybe the other way around). anyway, saves having a modern head unit in the dash or glove box, and potentially allows the guages to go in the dash inline with the clock and speedo/tacho

seats:

purchased on a whim while getting bits for the mrs corolla at pickapart - mmm blue veluer from a late 70s/early 80s corona gt coupe.

very comfy, but rails dont quite line up... will worry about them at a later date, unless someone has some blue buckets + rails or similar style early honda seats in blue (holes are very close aparently) and wants to swap?...

springs:

ex rear 124 coupe - also have internal spring compressor from EURON8 (what a total GC lending strangers his shit - i <3 OS!) to try and get my other ones out. this saves me cutting the 125 ones in case i mess it up, but would have to go mad and cut about 4 1/2 coils for it not to be captive (this compressed energy is why its so f*&^kn hard to get them out).

intake:

125T sidedraft manifold (note funky cutout for dizzy) and rams - just need the expensive bits to got in the middle (2x 40 Weber DHLA or 40 Dell'orto DCNF)

Some actual progress on my actual project car should now actually proceed

lil'blu is looking excited about being welded i think

popped in to see this this morn, looks like its been in a swamp for 10 years or so and a trees fallen on it

would be worth grabbing if you had one and needed the glass/trims but thats about it.

gave it a pat and a see ya on on the other side bo

green one needs smaller rims to put it back into proportion and it would be better

thusly

oooh

will pop in tomorrow on my way to work for a look - need to get some 4mm OD pipe from uber10 to hook the gas up on my new welder (which would sure come in handy on this!)

- when they are at that stage do they sell them for scrap value/complete car, or will they charge for all the little bits added together?

chrome/glass/etcs could be worth getting and those engines are little screamers, but body looks beyond silly even for an old fiat

yah, apparently that fiat stuff mostly got sold for scrap

crazy danes!

but

can you imagine a car dealership, full of sweet cars, remainaing untagged and not tatally fucked over (not even a broken window) for like 20 years anywhere else in the world (esp nz)

crazy danes!

now i don't really want to see it sit on the side of the road for the next 10-20-30 years but I don't really have any ideas on what to do with it..

yeah you do >

I reckon it'd be an awesome racecar transporter for the starlet if it could get some epic slam and some diesel-ness coupled with some love in the brake department..

and just to make it easy >

the rego is on hold and it's in reasonably solid condition.

other than being a mish to get back to the cave, sounds like a doer to me!

double that heavy clutch FTW

blip...graunch...blip...bru-u-uu-uuuuum...blip...grind...blip..

got this for patch panels and what nots - had previously scored most of the removable trims and etc for free, so i have kinda just got the rest of it.

importantly it has metal where little blu now has no rust (in fact now has nothing at all)

its a 1971 italian assembled model so it has a couple of improvements over my 69 nz (otahuhu) assembled CKD version including rear seatbelt mounts, ventilated front apron, as well as recently replaced front guards (a common rust problem area), as well as stuff ive previously raped such as tacho dash, under sill chrome strips etc etc

it has an anti-tramp bar in the rear, so this will also be moved over, probably later on when the rear springs are reset. the tunnel has been modified most likley for a 5 speed, but motor and box are long gone. it also had konis all round, but those have been installed in to the PO's 125T replical race project, which hes just sold, and in retrospect should have put a bid on. anyway, want mine to sit like that one in the rear, in the top photo its sitting on the front bumpstops (no springs), so this is as low as they go - so will need to be at least a couple of inches higher

all in all its a solid shell, probably more so than mine, but not registered and is cometically far worse, along with having its own other/different issues.

anyway, super stoked as saves heaps of time folding up sheet steel, as well as having heaps of improved bits, and looking forward to turning the driveway into a wreckers yard, and getting into welding bits into little blue.

this however requires the purchase of a welder, but this and any other car related toys, needs to wait till after the mrs's birthday on 13th, and valentines on the 14th...

i think you can change the class by filling out a form/when you get you rego (its on the form) as i asked about that last time, but the diff was only $4 or something at that time.

re diesel rego - most of the cost of rego is ACC levy - the "reason" that the diesel vehicles pay more is no because they will necessarily have more accidents than the equivalent petrol powered vehicle/driver, but because of the tailpipe emissions profile*

ie more PM10 sized particles (tiny soot) = more people dying** a year from air pollution related causes***

*despite being more efficent in L/100km and co2/km and less costly to refine

** dying from air pollution (or any slow onset cause) is usually considered interms of years earlier than expected, not oh i breathed some bad air => dead

***when was the last time you claimed ACC for a sore throaght related 'accident', and most while air pollution in nz is vehicle related, house fires, dust and sea spray are also big contributers. also how much different (like 100%/$200 pa different) are these costs to acc over and above any motor vehicle related crash costs, and how has this cost been attributed to deisel vehicles?? - i call b-s on that

yarh

plan is shock removed (easy), then spring compressor inside + jack under arm for som pre-compression, wind like billy-o = spring removal (hopefully)

then new bushes and paint etc, lowered spring in - happy

the external compressors dont have enough room to capture enuf spring to compress it enough and when tightend tend to walk around to one side, and enven if you could wind them, the shaft would lock one side or other of the spring in against the mount anyway, so def need an internal type.

if EURON8's dont work will have to make a dubtape of fiat special tool A 74112 like testament

maybe, if the price is right. rather have the 14x8s x4 tho, they look just right on there = perfect on mine too

how did you get the front springs out of the lada?

do you have an internal spring compressor thingee? can you giz? cbf taking the ball joints out and then how to reinstall the fucker even if it is shorter?

tried 2x sets of different external spring compressors but still have lowerage fail and took aaaaages on teh spanner

gaaaaah need FIAT special tool #4123555! but tis unobtainium

oh fanx for the comments,

not much progress lately, done all i can without a welder or a parts car while still keeping it mobile.

working on getting both soon, but not sure that the mrs will be happy if there is a 5th car in the driveway, a shiny new man-toy in the garage and no presents for her birthday

monsoon sheilds?

na, then the front quarter light windows wont work/look funny. i loved them on my vw's in the summer esp with no interior fan. the fan blows good in this, but they are notorious for never quite going 'cold' - the heater matrix valve doesnt close properly or something

haw haw lada

yep its 2107-tastic, but chrome-ier, cam-ier and more italian (but made with russian steel recycled out of captured nazi tanks and bourgeois intellectual's spectacle frames), oh and the new door rubbers and electric fan are from a lada too...

no new wheels

surely you mean "no modern wheels", not, "no more wheels" !

an italian gentleman cannot have too many loafers, and of course the shoes should always match the suit

questions, theories, suggestions and queries....

o hai,

long time reader, first time caller. thought id better put some detials of my current project etc.

i already have a thread on this car here where you can follow the detail of my trails and tribulations to date:

http://www.turbo124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8003

but this forum is more local, active and wide ranging, so better introduce my self proper like.

2009 was a crappy year, upshot = tax refund. was looking for a datsun 1600, but came accross this beastie.

Has same 1.6l engine capacity, twin headlights, rwd, & 4 box family 'sport sedan' underpinnings, and more or less same propensity for tinworm

differences are many, but mainly rarity, italian style/quirks, extra cam, 4 wheel discs, solid axle w/ leaf sprung rear, and factory air horns

runs the 1608cc version (80x80 = perfect square) of aurelio lampredi's famous FIAT twin cam, but is NZ assembled (CKD) early base model, so only 4 speed, big clock in the dash where tacho should be, and a solex twin throat carb. The Special had 5 speed and Weber carb, tach, air con, more chrome, nicer/black interior etc etc.

Much of the engine & etc is common with the 124, and later 131, 132 and Argentas, so these bits incl performance mods are relatively easy to find - body parts are another story tho.

Many of you will also know of the 125T, a NZ dealer developed version for the B&H race series. Yellow & black, Hi-comp pistons, hot cams, twin 40 sidedrafts, 5 speed, large capacity tank, lower/stiffer susp etc. They were supposed to sell 200 to homologate them, but only 70ish ever got made, apparrently FIAT found out and stopped it, but who knows.

Plans are to

- restore/upgrade (body, brakes, interior etc)

- improve the engines performance - this base version produces 90HP (DIN) - the same capacity engine in the 124 sport (w/ twin sideys etc) came from the factory with 145HP

- lower as per 125T

- for the purpose of classic family 'goon (massive boot + roofies) and/or weekend cruiser

Anyway, this was as purchased off t-me in April 2010.

Had $500 worthof head work, new ball joints and some bodywork done and then has been shed stored since 1993. 135,000 miles. Still registered tho.

getting it home from palmy:

And have spent the last 9 months, on weekends etc getting it from this:

to this:

So i can start on the real work of chopping out the FIAT dust (those pesky russians!) and replacing it with shiny new stuff.

The car is remarkably original and pretty solid, apart from the 20 year old body work 'repairs' which involved wire brushing the rusty bits, a bit of hammer work, brazing some metal on the underside and covering with copius amounts of filler. The car would be in far better condition if they had have just left it alone

Work so far has included

- sourcing 3 sets of rims (hey first things first!)

- cleaning 40 years of grime off.

- conversion to electric fan from belt driven (good for a few HP at least)

- plugs/points/leads

- cam belt/tensioner/timing/alt belt

- new water pump

- all oil and fluids

- new brake pads, flex hoses, resovoirs, refurb calipers

- new speedo/tacho, recover dash face from faux woodgrain to black vinyl, steering wheel

- chasing down various missing trims and etc.

Basically i wanted to get the car all together so i knew what it would be like (as it looks ok in teh photos aye), before concentrating on getting the rust out. Car now runs/stops and drives very nicely and Im looking forward very much to going further than the end of my road in it.

Rust is all cut out now and i have been folding up repair panels, but have managed to get a parts car - a shell i had got some trims etc off previously, which is solid in a few of the critical areas that mine is fucked, so i will be using as much of that as i can.

Will be purchasing a wee MIG welder and getting stuck in real soon...

EDIT - discusst viewtopic.php?f=18&t=25706

EDIT2 - not thumbs, chrono order, moar photos

twin sideys on a lada would be cool, but unusual...(sohc or pushrod 1500 from factory)

long shot anyways, those kinda bits are usually gone as soon as/before they turn up, being worth more/same as an otherwise complete shell as they are weber 40 DCOE or dellorto 40 DCNFs from factory

could be worth the extra roll down for the other odd bits and bobs tho tho PAP have definitly raised their prices a lot (esp for no refund stz) and are super picky on nuts and shit

1970's fiat was rusty

fancy that!

tis a 124 coupe then (BC or CC depending on front/back lights) 1600 to 2l twin cam and 5 speed, discs all round, blah blah

black door cards and maybe front seats from the lada will fit my 125, and most of drivetrain from 124 will too

especially keen if has twin sidedraft carbs? have a twin sideys manifold thats looking especially lonely...

bah, that kinda shit never makes it into pick-a-part avondale!

doing a parts car pick-up run to levin in the next couple of weeks, so might have to visit the hutt pick-a-part too

can some one confirm the fiat - tis not on their website yet (nor is teh lada)

or would 4x100 be close enough and sweet in the long term?

have the same trouble with my fiat but the other way - its 4 x 98mm

short answer to 'is close enough' is na, long answer is maybe dependin on your appetite for dodge...

you could get wobble bolts/nuts - if you can find them

you could file/slot the holes a wee bit (101.6-100)/4=0.4mm

you could drill the holes out at a larger diameter, biased towards the outside, might need bigger diam studs tho

also not too many 4x100 rwd offset rims around, but with a thick converter type spacer might work (4x4" to whatevers) but this is $ x 4

best to await the universe to provide a set of 4x4" imo

Name: Kyle

Location: NW Auckland

OS Cars you own: 1969 Fiat 125

Mods to them: Resto underway to weekend family cruiser state with a bit of lowerage

Link to pics: http://www.turbo124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8003

OS Cars I used to own:

'7? Datsun 140J: first project + 14yo = disaster

'6? Ford Anglia Van: $50 river basher that ended up getting torched - im always a little sad about that one

'80 Escort - Beige 1300 Auto 4Door, minter, purchased by parents for me and bro to do school run - the worst car i have ever owned. After the engine and tranny finally blew up my brother ended up getting a 1600 cortina motor and manual box put in. Was still the worst car he ever owned. Went good on gravel tho

'67 VW Beetle: red, lowered at front, white steelie dune buggy mags low profiles on front baloons at back, worlds 2nd loudest zorst on recond 1300

'72 VW MkII Kombi: Blue, bored out 1600, worlds lodest zorst - hitchers always got excited to see you coming, LOLs when you see the look on thier faces when you dont stop. rusty, 'sold' to 'friend' who still owes me $ for it + parking/wof/reg

fines. dick.

'69 VW Beetle: minter, pearly white, lowered much, 15" EMPI 5 spokes with black centres/polished rim, repowered with 1300 from red one. GF rear ended another car at the bottom of whakapapa road (brake fade). parked up to fix but never did - sold as parts

'80 EX Lancer: GFs car, metallic bronze, Minter, but with smoky 1600 and Auto. Engine blew a piston out the side of the block, had to leave it on the side of the road over night before picking up next day - over night all tyres had been slashed, all the rubbish under the seat, jack, spare, battery etc stolen, both locks wrecked, 2 windows smashed, but didnt take the stero or speakers. Was v poor student + dpb = give away to guy for tow costs minus stereo who repowered it with another 1600 on the auto box and still has it in his family. Very, very gutted about that one.

Current Fleet:

'99 Suzuki Baleno GTX Wagon - 1.8 16V DOHC, lowered, zorst, 17s, daily driver now on 320,000 km, still no oil, water or smoke and starts first time every time - best car have ever owned!

'90 Nissan Caravan - 2.7 Diesel, Tints, 16" rims with mud tyres and roofies w/box. aka the 'Vach' (Van + Bach). Snow and camper mobile.

'96 Toyota Corolla 1.6 GL - GFs Daily

How you found out about oldschool: teh interwebs - i think by a roundabout way following yoeddynz's housetruck build link back from retrorides

Anything else you want to add: rust is lighter than carbon fibre, true story