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On 05/08/2019 at 16:00, datlow said:

What ever happened to the ozzy crowd that was gonna make new Chinese shells? Phil’s rotarys?

Who knows, probably failed quality control. Only ever be good in NZ for rust cuts or dodgy car conversions as they could never be registered here. 

Demand vs supply. That is the only reason a RX-3 coupe is worth 3 x a sedan.

It seems there are still plenty of people who don't know the market when they continue to bring in LHD rotaries and try to sell for RHD prices. The demand for rotary cars does not extend to LHD cars in this RHD country in  which plenty of RHD cars of the same make and model still exist on the road.

Its not like in the UAE where the demand for C110 skylines was so ridiculously high (for a car never sold there) and supply of LHD ones was so short that they then fleeced 90% of the RHD C110 skylines from RHD markets......There was no choice, there was no supply, so if you wanted a C110 Skyline in UAE you had to look at importing from a RHD country.

The LHD ones just flounder around on Trademe for months. I will be suprised if this one sells for 68k,  even with it being that tidy. 

https://www.trademe.co.nz/2261742912

21 hours ago, Mr Vapour said:

also try Stirling b & c in onehunga 

Nah don't. I was recommended them for a master + booster rebuild on  my 808 and they threw away the original sticker, ruined the paint on the booster and didn't even fit the seals properly and it leaked. They also didn't replace the remote reservoir seals for my $600 ish job. They half resprayed the booster with a rattle can I had to strip the whole damn booster and paint it again. It looked like a kid had done it.  I actually question whether they kept my mint original paint with master vac sticker one and gave me back some second hand junk. When I got it back I had to mess with the length of the throw out rod which was another reason it might not of been my original (because there is no need to adjust when rebuilding) ... Fairly new owner apparently. Owner I spoke with was less than helpful and offered no resolution. 

Also someone remakes replicas of the sumitomo mk63, there are a ton of listings on yahoo and ebay. Original ones were selling for stupid money until someone copied them, just not branded sumitomo. Those yahoo seals probably made for the remakes. 

If my 808 was a genuine rx3 then based on the condition of that blue rx3 (if it is a genuine rx3) on Trademe at the moment I would have asked 60k. In todays environment it seems when the only difference is literally a chassis number, that alone = 1/2 the value.

I got 33k and that was reasonable in my mind. I wasn't selling to make money and it owed me nearly that much after a year of ownership. 

I'm not sure 1st gen RX7 are at RX3 prices yet... Does he want to sell @re10?  I did always love a s2 or s3.. 

It seems one person sells for a well over market price (like houses) then everyone thinks they can do the same.... And it's working and driving values up fast. 

High demand + feeding on people's fear of missing out = money for nothing. 

oh oh? Trademe special.

S102A (originally 10A) with 12A front

Later model brake master?

Cert plate covering chassis number location?

Where are the RX-3 experts?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/mazda/auction-2195137215.htm?rsqid=66433b04dd3146caa663cd5fa965e69c-003

Correct me if I am wrong but at the same time Ryan was trying to sell his there was another white one on Trademe (unrestored but better condition than the blue one by miles) for 60k? Got relisted a lot and didn't appear to sell. 

That blue one looks pretty rough. PP that needs a rebuild and only has  standard brakes, hacked out wheel well which is less than desirable. Panels don't appear to line up that well either. Be interested to see it in the flesh or if it sells for that much. 

S4 yah

That one nah 

Still sitting in a box waiting for me  , like the rest of the bike

It is not going as yet, a looooong term project. I am trying to cull the fleet a little. I will send you a message.

Murray Fullerton has a RS-X and probably others. 

A mate of mine and a fella in Manakau (near Levin not Manukau) named Anton? stripped a ton of RS-X Gazelles and Silvias and DR30 skylines back in the day for FJ20ET engines and R200 LSD diffs for Datsun 1600s. Like actually at least 10 and whole cars were worth about $500 a pop in the early 2000s.

RS-X model FJ20 had a better (lower height?) intake manifold from memory.... 

I can't even remember the last time I saw a RS-X with the large bulge in the bonnet. 

With an 808 you know the car is more likely to be legit. There is something fishy about that purple one. 

With an rx3 these days, who knows. There are a ton of plate and tag swaps driving around out there purported to be RX-3s.

I even know for sure of two 808s with STC chassis numbers registered as RX-3s....

That black  (ex lime green) coupe has been converted to RHD from LHD maybe they thought that would equate to a massive price hike. 

35 minutes ago, oldrx7 said:

You’d get decent money for your motor in yours , could always sell that and get something more mildly ported ? 

Yeah but the noise to me is what makes them. Brapping is both a blessing for the ears and a curse for the pocket and driveability 

It really is only the engine that is makes the Mazda rotary cars worth pining over. I will give Mazda credit for some kooky styling of their cars though too. It is certainly not the engineering of everything around the rotary engine that appeals to me. The words cheap and basic spring to mind compared to Nissan Datsun. Datsun was light years ahead in the 70s and they are over engineered compared of horse cart handling Mazdas with fast engines.

Yes Crusty its mine. I'm not worried if it does not sell. No cut guards or bog flares.

Unfortunately these cars attract keyboard warriors and low ballers more than any other marque. I expect tyre kickers although an argument about km/h mp/h is not what I expected. Plenty of original 10A sedans in Japan have the 200 km/h speedo.

I don't know how but this recently sold on Facebook of all places for 80k! At least a 40K profit for the most recent seller. Yes it is original GR 10A sedan but I see that this car has changed owners a lot in the last couple of years. Someone on Ausrotary looked at it in 2011 and said it was salty underneath and engine was rooted.

Same car in 2011 with different plate , note 200km/h speedo 

My bad, I see you said the tag does match the plates, I thought it says doesn't. 

I would still get the original colour info for the vehicle that the plates belong to (from land transport) and see if it matches the original colour od the shell in front of you.

A mistake, even though it would be epic is still plausible when they are assembling cars in the 70s, literally grabbing the next shell and next ID tag off the pile and uniting them. 

10 minutes ago, Avenga said:

Yeah, it's not due to a mistake in the records. I have been talking with the seller and I got them to post a photo the VIN plate which is on the car. Which is this one.

That decodes to a 1979 Chrysler Avenger GLS sedan with a vinyl roof.

That tag does match the plates on the car

 

I'm getting lost here.

tag don't match shell?

tag don't match plates?

plates match shell? If tag doesn't match plates, what does chassis number on tag come back to?

Mazda 1300 coupe - two door coupe roof

Mazda 1300 sedan - 4 door

Mazda 1300 saloon - 2 door same body shape as 4 door.

Well that is how it was explained to me moons ago. The interwebs says a sedan/saloon is the same same Tomato / Tomato. 

I can't remember which body style it was but it was not correct, I just used sedan / saloon as an example because it rang a bell.

21 minutes ago, ajg193 said:

Old rego system is full of errors, just go to the post office or NZTA and have the rego changed from sedan to wagon. Then only the most barry of wof inspectors would ever pick up on it. The car is older than most wof inspectors.

 

There are heaps of Starlet hatchbacks registered as sedans and even vans.

 

 

Sound straight forward but have you actually tried to change the body type recently? I thought it could be done with a conversation but learnt there is now a form.

I tried that once a couple of years ago, same deal. A car registered as a saloon when it was a sedan. I got told I needed to fill out the form and get proof in the form of a statement from the manufacturer and that the chassis number matched the body style so never bothered. Once again, gotta get the right person on the desk on any given day. 

Ahh, good to know what sort of car. So like quite a few NZ assembled cars in the 1970s by Todd Motors where shells were shipped here with no chassis numbers stamped and not necessarily ever were (ala Datsun 1600s and some Mazdas) and they just relied on a manufacturer ID tag. 

So the ID tag on the car, on face of it, is for the wrong body style and recorded manufacturer (Chrysler/Hillman) and that is what leads you to believe it has had the plates tags swapped? Has the question been asked directly of the current/previous owner?

It may be just a mistake. I have seen a ton of mistakes for old cars. Peoples recording ability in the 70s-80s was just absolute rubbish. If it was assembled here in NZ then it could have been some muppet on the production line that put the wrong tag on the wrong shell. You could investigate this further. If you contact Land Transport they should be able to tell you any history of colour changes to the car.

ie, its original details may have been changed - colour or body style. It might be obvious that the car in front of you was originally brown, or you have scratched some paint off and seen brown at the bottom (unlikely someone has EVER done a bare metal interior/exterior paint on an Avenger.) If the original colour for the plates, matches the car in front of you, this could indicate a mistaken ID tag put on the car.

I have used the above before. A car I have owned had a chassis number stamped into it that looked like it had been done by a kid (wonky) and in a different place from JDM assembled models. But after confirming chassis number range allocation for exact model year for NZ assembled cars as well as the different chassis number location directly with the manufacturer I took a further step. I confirmed with Land Transport that the car was originally registered as yellow and had been changed to green in 2006 and blue in 2008. I could see areas of the original colour in the boot were yellow under blue and green. I was then satisfied convinced that the car was legit and the person who stamped the chassis number needed their eyes fixed.

A further glimmer of hope is in the engine no. Land Transport (not car jam) can search via engine number. The details will only be lost if the original car was deregistered around 1990.

Failing that all you can do is ask a Land Transport inspector, spell it all out and hope you get one that is up with the play / cares about old cars. Even that is difficult. 

True but he is asking about re-registering.

Good luck trying to convince Land Transport or an inspector that putting plates and tags on a vehicle was not done for a dishonest purpose. The fact is, you cannot swap the identity of one vehicle to another regardless of the reason.

To be re-registered, the burden of proof is on the person proving (physically with engine/chassis/ID numbers) that it is not stolen. Not that it might be or might not be because it is impossible to determine.

It would seem that he is screwed. Engine no?

Without some firm proof as to the original identity, he will never be able to prove its not stolen. Buyer beware, due diligence, caveat emptor etc.

Just don't put in ya carry on, should be fine if clean. 

Well there was one at leadfoot a week ago. Bright orange and boy did it sound fantastic... 

Mmmmmmm, current bid 35k NZD 

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f321423286

14 hours ago, Datstan said:

Where was this hiding?

Owner is from Welly. Top bloke, reliving his youth

Rb20det conversion.