ThePog
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I think it is definitely a 4 cylinder crossflow as the carbs were linked up in the middle, as per most twin sidedraft or downdraft setups, and set up like this the head side flanges were right next to each other....
The port spacing looks to be the same for all 4 too.
The casting numbers are WO 6264 - 2001 on both parts.
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I don't know and I can't see why you think it is an east west engine.
The carb mounting is for twin Weber DCNF's which is what was bolted to the manifold. These have a float bowl orientated for an east west engine or a V type - these carbs are used on V6 Capri's, X1/9's, Maserati V6's etc.
So unless someone designed a manifold knowing the carbs were going to be orientated incorrectly, it is for an east west engine.
End of lecture/uninformed rant.
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I was pretty stoked when I found out what they were.
They are skanky durty on the outside but look pretty good on the inside, probably need new gaskets and shaft bearings tho.
The chokes are 28's but have been bored out some, will have to check what they are at.
I have asked a Q in the tech section about the manifold that came with them, be good to get an idea of what they are jetted for....
I also have a Filipinetti X1/9 manifold for DCNF's at the mo, but I am not allowed to use it because it is not mine
I am going to CAD it up and get a pattern made - sell them on ebay and make squillions. -
And to narrow it down it is almost certainly an east west, and hence probably a front wheel drive engine.
I deduct this because the carbs on it were DCNF webers.
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A large ergonomically designed easy open sachet of win for the person who can tell me what engine this manifold is off.....
And if you want it it is for sale going veeeeery cheeep.
Thanks in advance
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Scored some cheap downdrafts off Trademe along with a random manifold. The seller didn't know what they were and they looked pretty scodie.
I asked for a fixed price offer after they didn't sell. They arrived today.....
Stoked.
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Nice progress there on the X
Any chance you happen to know any euro bumpers available here in NZ?
I reckon I was lucky to get the ones I did, and I had to ship them down from auckland...
Ive got a set set of overriders if you need them?
You could try these boys - NZ X1/9 Register
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As a matter of interest, what are you gonna fill in the resulting gap in the front valance with now the BIG bumper's gone?
Well it would look like this with the overriders;
So I guess much the same but less bulbous. I have a bit of tasty mesh that will probably do the job of filling the radiator hole as the original grill is pretty much poked, I did wonder if it would look odd before I did it but I am pretty happy with the results.
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Cam told me it's more hardcone to call it a 'break' instead of 'estate'.
I think he means a 'Shooting Brake' a phrase well worth the google.
These (but only as a wagon) are without doubt my fav frenchie - I have considered buying one myself but could not quite come up with a convincing justification for my missus who has some pretty fucked ideas about appropriate cars.
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Spent some quality time with my engine on the weekend;
Checking TDC;
This was a stupid place for the timing wheel as I couldn't turn it 360° without knocking it out of kilter. So I set it up on the flywheel which was much more satisfactory;
Set it all up on the standard timing marks and veeeery gently checked the valve to piston clearances - of which there were loads thank god - I didn't relish the prospect of taking the pistons out to get machined;
Had to dial in the cam which was interesting and stressful as I have never done it before - I went very slowly with this too.
This was made relatively easy by the previous owner who had helpfully drilled extra dowel holes in the camwheel so that one hole jump roughly equals 1/6th of a tooth movement;
Two jumps and it was as close as it is ever going to get with this setup.
Had to dial it in on the max lift point of each cam as there was no direct vertical access to the cam follower. Did the inlet first and the exhaust was bang on so I guess thats ok. The true test will be no horrible clunking noises when I start it up first time....
Spent a lot of time dicking with the belt and tensioner setup - even to the point of buying a 1300 belt to see if that would fit - no joy until I realised that the tensioner pulley was about 3mm smaller diameter than my original - that was enough difference to make it work with the 1500 belt. Have to get a swap on the bearing now + there is a cheap 1300/128 belt on TM at the mo....!
Anyway, only a couple of things left to do and it will be ready to go back in.... Yay!
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Don't worry about the thirst - the wagon used about as much with the sidies as with the single downdraft with heaps more power.
And the noise - like a dozen virgins gargling the spunk of the gods.
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Mint.
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Time for the mega "I've stuck on my bumpers" update.....
A tad delayed due to me being basically a lazy bastard.
Started with the fronts and these fairly disparate items;
Set the bumper up on the car - unfortunately the later style bumper mount exits the body well below the earlier style bumper, you can see this where the screwdriver is sticking out.
In this pic you can also see the wee spot of rust on the lip (Read: could double as a colander) - not too bad tho, a couple of hours should have that sorted.
Also note all the overrider mounting gubbins on the bumper which I decided to lose as I thought things might look a bit cleaner without, thereby causing myself lots more work;
Welding a cap on the inner face of the bumper where I lost the overrider mounting;
Fronts and mounts all cleaned up and waiting for some mattyB spraybomb action;
All painted and mounted up + bonus viewage of the rot;
Basically the same happened for the back but with less dicking around, although I am not that happy with the way they sit, probably needs the outers wrapping around a bit further, which means half an hour with a file at most.
Other news;
Pick up the head tomorrow complete with grumpy cam and correct clearances.
Am going to use the original cam drive gears/belt setup as the cam wheel has had some extra drive pin holes drilled to get 1/6th of a tooth movement depending on position - I may not need this adjustment but it would be nice to have;
Block = 1.75mm taller (1600 vs 1500)
Head = 0.5mm machined off
Cam box = 2mm machined off to account for reduction of the base circle
In theory then the cam wheel is 0.75mm closer to the crank......probably not enough to notice.....?
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Very excited - just picked up my cam from Kelfords - it's very grumpy, had to talk sweetly to it to get it to come home with me.
Have mounted up my new old front bumpers, rears will be sorted this weekend + mega pic update.
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A minor update as I have been away in Oz for a wee while so have not done very much....
All the shiny engine bits are here now although I am probably going to get a cam ground for a bit more grumpyness and the cam box trimmed to suit;
Fitted new old front indicators;
Added an extra radiator fan just in case;
With the aid of a Dremel the drivers seat sits back another 25mm - all the better to easier accommodate my 6'3" frame - and any man would be pleased to gain another inch or so...
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He put the 16V head on the existing block, but left the 8 valve turbo as it is bigger.
Said it was a nightmare.
He also said something about not being sure about the breather routing - so hopefully this was the problem, not anything too serious.
He did say it was still running ok apart from the fuelling issues...!
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Well I have just been out to Ruapuna again for the Fiat/Lancia club day - lots of interesting sheetmetal for you boys to drool over;
A Chapmans Prototipo;
A roughish BC driven by a lovely young lady;
Slightly more exotic;
Some of you might recognise this one, unfortunately Nick had done something bad to the engine before he could take me for a ride....
At least 3 125T's that i could see;
A 128 Coupe daily driver with interesting carburation arrangements;
Something little and Fiat;
A mint Montecarlo;
An even minter Dino;
E30 BMW with a Lexus V8 - this sounded very nice!
A very exotic Lambo - got a good fanging around the track too;
Delta Integrale - just had a 16 valve head put on and was pissing black smoke out down the straight.
Then it came in with oil pissing all over the engine and wreathed in smoke.
Brian said he would probably break it....!
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hey man you might be interested in these..
Thanks, I will keep my eye on them - I have a wee fetish for reading technical manuals
Hows that wagon going?
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Well I don't have a red exhaust extension thingy, and I would rather use a cheese grater on my cock than own a Pulsar, but fortunately I am an arsehole.
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Yes seen that one in a couple of vids now, unfortunately family and mortgage put a stop on most of the stupidity that I want to undertake - maybe in a couple of years when I have managed to master the full 85 horses I will be looking to break the hundy horses somehow.
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Quick update;
Engine is going back together slowly but surely, having to pilfer a surprising number of bits off the old engine + there are a few significant differences between the X1/9 and Tipo engines..
- Front seal mount - wrong mounting for the timing indicator, used original
- Rear seal mount - Tipo has extra mount for a crank angle sensor, used this one just in case.....
- Front block cover + Engine mount + timing belt tensioner - no auto tensioner on the tipo (!), so need to use the X cover which has a spigot on it for the tensioner mechanism, but also has a mount hole which will need welded up so water doesn't piss out. No biggie tho.
- Oil pickup is longer and angled differently on the X - used the original one...
- Head bolts are M10 on the Tipo, M12 on the X =-(
- Water pump housing has different mounts for the alternator
- Head to thermostat housing is different, have cad'd up an adapter, just needs to be made.
- Timing belt pulleys are different - have used the Tipo ones.
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Also, I have to say that that Honda dash looks arse.
The standard X dash is awesome, the rev counter goes backwards FFS, why you would want to replace this with 2 acres of grey plastic is beyond my comprehension.
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Well that is basically what I was thinking of when I started looking for an X, find a cheap stalled project and hack it together with something grunty and japanese, paint it mattyB, and thrash it till it died....
However after I found this one, it was way too tidy to be messing up so the plans changed a bit.
Tipo engine still only has 85HP which is quite embarrassing for a 1600cc engine really.
Still, we will see what it turns out like I guess.
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I am going to CAD it up and get a pattern made - sell them on ebay and make squillions.
WTF is this off?
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Boxer engines have inlet port pairs running north south, so take IDF style downdrafts. VW/Alfa 33 carbs can be used on rear drive fiat twin cams (or anything similar) with the correct manifold.