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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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What an engine! I wish I could say this was my crankcase! Sadly its on loan (like most of the other bits!).- 143 replies
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Left hand hanger done. Second time lucky to get this one.- 143 replies
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Almost worked. Got quite a bit of shrinkage in one corner on both parts. So I'll have another go and add some big risers to those areas. Other than that it worked really well!- 143 replies
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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All the patterns and moulds finished for the Spring hanger body. Ready to go to the foundry. The sand isnt great (I think the resin is going off) but its worth pouring it anyway to see how it works.- 143 replies
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You can see this one doesnt even have any counter weighting. Its just round! The later ones were counter weighted and weigh about 35kg. Still a monster! Has a multiplate clutch which I guess acts like a flywheel.
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Real crank in the lounge. 55kg beast!- 143 replies
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Would be nice to find that in a shed!
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Bit of CAD. Slowly slowly getting there. Most major parts are detailed. A lot to go.- 143 replies
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That's been around a bit over the last few years. Bit expensive for a broken one with no history! I'll sell you one of mine for half that!
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Yeah ABS. Ali is LM25 which machines pretty well as it is or can be heat treated. I havnt had any heat treated so dont know the difference in machining. Investment casting is a little different since you have to get all the gas out properly. Im guessing youre casting into the PLA or do you burn/melt it out first?
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On the patterns that need a good finish I print at 0.14-0.19, inner patterns that you cant see I do 0.25-0.4. Rip into it with 120grit then I spray it with acetone. Usually you use acetone to make it stronger but in this case it seals the plastic really well so when you spray it with a primer it works mint. Then give it a 600grit. The sand doesnt pick up that much detail so you can be pretty rough with the finish. Then give it a wax mould release and good to go. I havnt used any programs for working out the runner system. Ive got some good casting books that give a couple of formulas and rules. Iv pretty much just done what theyve said and its been working. Ive now got a good ratio for runner size vs volume for iron and ali. This will be the first bronze one.
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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All the outer moulds made with runner/sprue etc. Time to work on the inner core patterns and hopefully pour one early new year. Working out runner system Lower half of the mould Upper half with sprue and filter- 143 replies
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Seriously cool stuff by those guys aye!
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Making patterns for the spring hanger. Got a 3D printer! Does work for you while youre at work! So good.- 143 replies
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I can imagine! There was 1000hrs in this block. So easy $50k if I paid someone. Who did he get to design/make his patterns? All the patterns for the block cost about $500, casting was $400. All mates rates though. To machine I have had quotes between $6-9000 for the first one, $4000 after that but I should be able to do it on my machine. There are 2 places in Europe who can make blocks and they charge about $17k with a 1 year lead time.
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Anything is possible but the amount of time it would take would be huge. So youd need really deep pockets!
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Bit of CAD on a T57 front spring hanger.- 143 replies
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I used Grade 150. Apparently this is generally what people use these days. If I wanted Bugatti grade I'd have to go melt down some old park benches and frying pans! Did they scratch build the whole engine? Cast the block?
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Whats the company you work for? Do you know what grade of cast iron they used?
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Luckily these wernt roller bearing crank. They are babbitt/white metal bearings. So I will just use shell bearings. The T35 is the one with the roller bearing crank. And yeah they last 10000miles and cost 10s of thousands to rebuild so ive heard. The T57 is the saloon car. Lots a variants and would be the most common bugatti engine/car. Ralph Laurens $40m Atlantic has this engine. Crank is 2-4-2 with 1, 6, 2, 5, 8, 3, 7, 4 firing order. The T59 is the GP car which essentially took the 57 engine and hotted it up. 3.3L fixedhead, twin cam, supercharged, drysump, straight 8. 230Hp (i find it strangely satisfying saying that sentence!) Big difference was the crank was 4-4 with a different firing order. These ran really rough, didnt rev very high, broke cranks and didnt make any more power. So im going for a T57 engine since there is a lot more info on it. More likely to get hold of genuine parts (which ive got now) and a higher chance of someone wanting to buy some parts.
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Its cast iron so dont really need hardened seats. Your crossflow lasts 100,000+ miles without them. So thats like 100 years bugatti driving! Crank would break before the seats woreout anyway! You use a reverse seat cutter. Valve guides are really big diameter, so you feed the cutter in through the bore, push the guide in from the outside and then cut back with a spacer to the base of the guide. If that makes sense . Assemble the valves like that too and the valve springs hold the guide in. This gives you a better idea. A lot of plane engines are like this.
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Plan is to use as many parts from other engines/cars as I can. So would use internals from another gearbox and cast a housing to suit to make it look legit. Diff is a bit harder because its not like a regular diff. Havnt really looked too hard into that side of it. Many years away!
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Bugatti T57/59 Engine Project
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Dropped the moulds off in the morning and had the parts by lunch time! Thats service. The first one had a bit of shrinkage going on in the thicker parts so they dropped the temp a bit on this pore and it worked mint! This is only the right hand side. Left hand side is pretty much the same just doesnt have the cutout.- 143 replies
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Nah looks sweet.