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Sleeper options - 16-valve 2-litre from a Kia Sportage or 2.2 turbo?

Bradford ute, from the Jowett company iirc.

No plan for me.  A friend has an auto Marina wagon with a BW65, reckons the weight of the auto improves the weight distribution and makes it handle and ride better than the manual.  He's had an auto Hunter in the past, always wondered why only Chrysler opted for the BW45.

 

Ross reckons it nit ll its cracked up to be 

 

 

 

http://www.avenger.co.nz/forum/index.php?topic=438.msg9247#msg9247

 

Thanks for the link.  Answers my questions about compatibility, in so far as it won't be a direct bolt in for any other engine, so would require fabricating an adaptor plate to fit any other manufacturer's 2 litre engine.

From reading the "sample" part of the SAE paper, it seems the BW35 was an America box designed for "compact" cars that was adapted for use in smaller European cars, and the BW45 was designed specifically for smaller European 4-cylinder cars.  Unfortunately the "sample" part of the SAE paper doesn't have any detail on whether it was a more efficient gearbox, or any comparisons with the BW35.  Would be interesting to know what impact it had on performance and economy in the Hillmans, but I've not been able to find any road tests, nor any press releases or adverts.

There is a technical paper on the SAE website about the Borg Warner 45 and 55 autos, unfortunately $26 to download, but can preview here http://papers.sae.org/750084/

Says the Model 45 was designed with 6,000rpm shift points for engines up to 2 litres and 120 lb-ft torque.  The Model 55 was for engines up to 3 litres and 180 lb-ft torque.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/customs-classics/80919865/classic-1953-humber-car-boosts-cancer-society-funds

 

A beautifully restored 53-year-old British classic car has boosted Cancer Society funds by $45,000.

The 1963 Humber 90, known affectionately as "Myrtle" was auctioned on TradeMe with all proceeds going to the Wanganui Cancer Society to be used towards their support services, transport services and cancer prevention initiatives.

The reserve price was $1 and had reached $23,000 by Wednesday before a bidding war broke out on Thursday evening. From 7.13pm to 7.21pm when the winning bid of $45,000 was cast, 20 bids were placed as the price rocketed up from a then $28,500.

TRADEME/CANCER SOCIETY

"Myrtle", a 1963 Humber 90, has been auctioned to raise funds for the Wanganui branch of the Cancer Society.

 

TradeMe account, saudi.drifts101, was the successful bidder, and placed five other bids during that time before trumping the opposition with the winning bid which took the price from $40,051 to $45,000.

TradeMe's account profile lists saudi.drifts101 as "Max" from Wanganui.

"The person who brought this car back to life is a volunteer at the Wanganui Cancer Society," the TradeMe auction said.

TRADEME/CANCER SOCIETY

The original interior of "Myrtle", a 1963 Humber 90.

 

"He gave us the shock of our lives when he told us that we wanted to donate it to us to auction off and raise money to help people in our community.

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"We can not express our thanks enough, so we hope this auction does our volunteer proud."

The car, which has a fully reconditioned 1532cc engine and gearbox, has had over $18,000 spent on it during the restoration.

Stumbled across a 1972 article in Autosport magazine about Borg Warner's then-new English/Welsh 4-speed auto. http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/page/october-1972/58

 

A new Borg-Warner automatic gearbox.—We went down to Port Talbot, braving the distinct possibility of getting irretrievably lost in Swansea on the way home, to see the impressive factory which Borg-Warner have erected on the new Kenfig Industrial Estate just off the A48 (M) road, where they are introducing new methods of production of their automatic transmissions in a fine new building of some one-million square foot floor space.

The main purpose of this move to Wales is manufacture of the new Type 45 four-speed Borg-Warner automatic gearbox, for cars of up to 2-litres, which will eventually supersede the well-known Type 35 three-speed box. We were able to sample the Type 45 transmission in a fuel-injection Volvo 144 which, together with a 1.3-litre Morris Marina, are being used for development and demonstration purposes, and the smoothness of the changes in this closer-ratio gearbox was most apparent. It marks a notable step forward in using plate clutches instead of the difficult to keep in adjustment band brakes of the earlier gearbox and it is significant that pressings replace castings for many of its components. The design, it is pleasing to note, stemmed from this country rather than from America and the new Type 45 box will also be made as a three-speed Type 55, which Toyota are using at present, the casing being sent to them from the Welsh factory.

The production methods at this impressively spacious factory, where 1,500 operatives work, a number to be doubled when the full production of 1,000 Type 45 and 500 Type 55 gearboxes per day is achieved, are most interesting. For instance, there will be an 83-stage transfer machine, supplied by Lamb of Ontario, for machining the aluminium gearbox casings, which needs but three operatives to oversee it. Two 1,000-ton Wilkie & Mitchell presses stamp out clutch cylinders, to a ready-to-use state, with no subsequent machining involved. There are nine stations per press. In contrast to this automation, women operatives fit the rotor blades by hand. Components will be conveyed about the factory on roller-coasters, and J-pattern travelling jigs will facilitate assembly, right up to the dispatch stage. Completed gearboxes are all tested on A. T. & T. dynamometers, having been balanced electronically while revolving at 1,100 r.p.m., their heavy-point marked with a blue spot for the guidance of the car manufacturer fitting the box to his engine.

The gear assemblies are electron-beam welded, each being completed in 4½ seconds, the weld being made in a vacuum, using Scieky apparatus, which obviates any distortion or interference with the heat treatment of the gear pressings. Before welding, the components pass through a Raydne washing vat.

Even a brief inspection of the new Borg-Warner plant shows that the company plans a big expansion. Apart from the new gearbox, it supplies BMW, Saab and Citroen with automatic transmissions, while the applications of the Type 35 B-W box to British cars are too well known to need enumeration. B-W claim to have well over 5-million units in use and to serve more than 80 manufacturers in eight countries. They are seeking customers for the new Type 45 transmission, which has ratios of 3:1, 1.94:1, 1.35:1 and direct-drive, against those of 2.39:1, 1.45:1 and direct drive of the Type 35 box. Aluminium is now used for all automatic gearboxes intended for cars of up to 4-litres, although cast-iron casings are found in the XJ6 and XJ12 Jaguar transmissions.

Curious to know what changes Rootes Group made when they changed from the 3-speed Model 35 to the 4-speed Model 45 in the Hunter and Avenger.  Was it a straight swap, using the same bellhousing, torque converter, gearbox mounts, and tail shaft?  Or were all these components unique to the 45?

Often wondered why this auto wasn't adopted by other manufacturers, especially during the fuel crisis of the mid-70s, as it would seem that the lower first gear ratio (3.1 vs 2.39) would have allowed a taller diff ratio to be used.  Or did it have a different torque converter that had a lower multiplication factor, requiring a lower first gear to achieve the same acceleration?

I've checked in with my tyre guy, and he says he has to split them because of a tall rim on the wheel. He's given me a recommendation for Royce Clive Engineering, who he says will get a rim and make up a wheel to suit. I'll report back later.

Knew Royce years ago - knows his onions.

The second gen Jazz sold here had a traditional 5-speed auto, the (current) 3rd gen has gone back to a cvt.

I've got a late 1st gen (2008) Jazz that we've put 130k on, the fluid has been changed about every 50k, it's never had a really bad judder, except when starting on a steep hill.  When it starts to get noticable, then I get Honda to change the fluid (not too expensive).  Never had any strange noises (or ball joint issues), touch wood.

I've heard that replacing the starter clutch with genuine parts is expensive, but picking up a replacement trans from a reputable place could be an option (Strongs, perhaps?).

Oh man, wish i had a garage to make that my project. Still a year or two off being able to take something like that on

 

If i got one in that shape it sure wouldnt be a TC rep i would build. Always wanted to put something like a beams 3sge in one (or back when i had my Marina, a 4age).

A nice light engine would be the go, plenty of room in the engine bay, bit tight in the trans tunnel, but a 3sge or Honda S2000 with a 6-speed would be a cracker (someone's rallying a Honda S2000 powered Marina in the UK).

IDK, i like them. A lot of want for a TC coupe, but not easy to come by now days. 

There's a Marina Coupe rolling shell on Trademe in Chch, could build a TC replica from that.  Shouldn't be impossible to find the necessary bits...

Reminds me of my dad's one and only new car, a '73 200cid 3-on-the-tree in Cosmic Blue with ROH Drag mags (with the ironic rego "GM 7550").  The dogs danglies to my mates at intermediate school...

Manual Overdrive genuine PI Wagon on MGB Rostyle steel wheels. I frothed a bit

 

Nice PI wagon (apart from the German paint lol).

Where's the Hillman fan?  Nice Imp and Avenger Alpine.

thanks for your help, i guess that is not an option then. i have a s7 13b in it. what about if i just move the whole rack about 20mm down instead of sideways, would this affect my bump steer and things aswell? thanks

Yes, that will affect bump steer too.  You'll have the tie rods at a different angle, so that will change the geometry that they move through, unless you also change the steering arms to compensate.

Recommend speaking to a certifier for advice.

I'm after some inspiration for wheels and steering wheel upgrade. Interested in period look 13 or 14 inch wheels, and 3 spoke steering wheel- alloy spokes, leather rim, etc. It seems after an hour of internetting, it's hard to find a boss kit for the mighty Hunter family. Any peeps in the know, I would value your input.

Same 4x108 stud pattern as small Fords, plenty of TradeMe options there.

Boss kits available from the UK http://britishclassicspareparts.com.au/british-parts/boss-kits/boss-kit-hillman-hunter-avenger-mountney-steering-wheel

or from Australia (claims to be same as Valiant VF-CM) http://www.topspeedautoparts.com.au/product/boss-kit-saas-valiant-steering-wheel-adapter

Gordon the blind guy driving reminds me of an old Aussie car movie "Running on Empty". I'm picking many of you remember that one.

Reminds me of the Newton Dodge vans running around Chch with their "blind man driving" signs.

I never met Barry, living in Christchurch at the time and being involved with the OSCA V8s at Ruapuna, but have always been a big fan of the "allcomers" home built V8s and the pretty radical machines that were coming out of Auckland in the '80s.  A big loss, and a big shock after nearly losing one of his top competitors, Inky Tulloch, in a club day crash at Teretonga at about the same time.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/78618680/Tributes-flood-in-for-Aucklander-Barry-Algie-crushed-by-car-in-Remuera

http://www.streetmachine.com.au/features/1603/barry-algies-1970-holden-ht-monaro-sports-sedan/

Fucking 6/90s are lush.

 

Dat poo brown Marina. 

I met Gordon, the blind owner of the "Arianca Tan" (aka poo brown) Marina TC, when I was in Invercargill early last year.  Same as one he owned before he lost his sight, he bought this one at a Turner's auction a few years ago, stripped in down, bagged and labelled all the bits, had the rust repaired, then put it back together with the help of some mates.  Pretty awesome for a blind dude, took it for a run round the block and he knew where we were just by the sound and feel of the roads. lol

as far as a cert goes, not allowed.

 

you can change the pattern if its done by a wheel specialist, where they press in an insert with an offset hole in it, im not sure how much of a difference in stud pattern that can take up

A reputable wheel firm told me a few mm max (110 to 108, or 100 to 102.6 etc), but the cost peeled my teeth...

Anyone know where to get headers/extractors for mazda klze/de engines, wanna get a touch more power and tone out of the telstar, can only find stuff in 'murica on ebay. Also has anyone had any experience in doing exhaust systems on these engines?

Neil Allport built the Telstar Super Tourer that Radisich raced with the 2l V6 - probably a good place to start looking...

Dose anyone have a carjam account they could check the number plate of my car to see if its still in the system?

You don't need a carjam account to get the yeah/nah answer with basic details https://carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=gc8371

What was it I heard somewhere that there is a clause in the TPPA about drifting?

Better not be, the West Coast is drifting north east at 2-3cm per year.    Will the Grey District Council get a ticket in the post for "sustained loss of traction" for NZ's biggest skid?

The title of this thread made me think of something entirely different.

Yeah, should have a million hits by now...

Did they make a LHD Torana, or is it off an equivalent Opel?

As the Torana rack is front steer (i.e. mounted in front of the wheels with the steering arms facing forward), a LHD front steer rack will become a RHD rear steer rack when it is mounted behind the wheels with the steering arms facing backwards (like a Mini), so it could be useful for a "rear steer" hot rod or sportscar.