thanks for the answers, i have experience with fwd 4g93 (2001) but dont know squat about the sigma's, so i have a bit to learn, i'm in qld aus so i will ask around on one of the sigma forums, finding an early model L200 will be a hard find, i had a look at a early narrow block 1600 lancer g/box (1975 ish i think) but no good............thanks again for your input...cheers