rob

this thing rules man. hope you're serious about the bonnet-mounted gun

pretty sure all k50's have the same output shaft and only the input shaft spline-count varies.

the driveshaft from my 2k kp60 starlet fitted a 3a k50 gearbox from an ae70 sprinter no problems.

Got some photos but haven't processed them.. as you know it's pretty ugly but should do the job

While I reckon the path we've chosen is sound, it's all still theory though, we haven't had it running yet. Will be interesting to see how well it works when we're actually tuning the thing.

I'll chuck up a project thread for the starlet once I've got the vacuum hoses for the TB's.

Yeah I've gone to the hassle of recreating the idle-bypass with mine so the ECU can have proper control over warm-up idle etc. Each runner has a pneumatic fitting in it that is connected back to an air "bus", which is in turn connected to an ISCV.

I was planning on using the little tubes that each TB has for vacuum, but then noticed the thing with the butterfly closing over them when the throttle is closed.. Current plan is to take the pressure from the idle-bypass circuit, in order to get a vac signal at idle, but also tee in the lines from each TB, as once you step on the gas these leetle holes will open up. I was going to plumb-in the extra tubes from TB's #1 and #4 also...

I figure the more vac sources the better...?

Just out of interest, where are you guy's taking your manifold pressure from?

I've noticed that in the stock setup, the butterflies close over the holes, pretty much blocking them off when you're not stepping on the gas.

it does

Care to elaborate then?

When I called VINZ regarding re-registering one of my cars, they told me that because it's previously been registered on NZ roads, the check is actually a lot more lenient than if it was a fresh import. Interior panels don't come off and it's basically just a "hard warrent" (their words). Can't recall exactly how much it was for the check, but I also called VTNZ and remember that they were at least $100 more expensive than VINZ.

The car was built 1981 and came into the country in 1989, unsure if that makes a difference or not.

I know you guys are keen on DIY'ing this but since paying someone to acid dip the wheels has been mentioned, I will just say that Elite Wheel Co in chch polished up my work equip 01's to virtually a mirror-finish, and painted the parts that needed painting black for $50 a wheel.

Sure the backs of the wheels are still all dull/covered in brake dust and road muck, but there's no way I'd have ever have gotten the viewable side of the wheels that mint just with hand-polishing.

If acid dipping costs more than that or roughly the same, then I'd just opt for the polish n' paint option from elite/local wheel shop. The dip would still leave you with dull-looking alloy (albeit nice and clean), right?

dont know much about fords but something like http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Performance/Electronics/auction-308069346.htm this would be the easiest solution.

using another car's dizzy will likey require you to shorten/modify the dizzy shaft to fit the gear from your original dizzy onto it.

For the price of some twin carbs and a new cam + the extras and the fuckarounds needed to make this work, you could easily get an 18R-G

Not all that long ago, I picked up an 18R-GEU off tardme, complete with ECU, loom and a W50 gearbox for $600 - it ended up coming with the donor car too so I got the fuel pump and a few other bits and pieces with it as well.

After selling all the bits from the donor car, the engine/ECU/gearbox/etc has cost me about $100.

It's just a matter of keeping your eyes out for one.. after I'd bought mine I watched as a "rebuilt" 18R-GEU + ECU went for a mere $200 on a $1 reserve auction.

If you are really desperate for a turbocharged R-motor, start with an 18R-GEU, get a turbo manifold made up for it and use a megasquirt/link for engine management.

22R-TE is just a grotty truck motor, a turbocharger does not a performance-engine make

Sadly the proposal has already gone and we have the cruising law

The select committee happened last year when this law was put before parliament, about half of the committee were receptive to a softer, more socially-minded approach, the other half (most notably the National MPs, i.e. those who are ACTUALLY in govt) were not.

Surprise-surprise: the bill became law with virtually no alterations or consideration given to those who were against yet-another pointless boyracer crackdown. Human Rights lawyers pointing out that the law is likely to breach the Bill of Rights were also ignored.

The law passed by the government allowed local councils the powers to pass bylaws that ban "cruising". The reason why this issue is in the media again, despite the all the select committee and law-passing hooplah being conducted last year, is because the Christchurch City Council has just gotten around to passing the bylaw that defines the streets on which cruising is banned.

So, unfortunately we now all have to suffer this shitty law... and get to wait anxiously while the populist politicians plan for the next inevitable "crackdown".

Here's my submission.

Land Transport (Enforcement Powers) Amendment Bill & Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill

I am interested in this bill because I am a young(24) person who lives in Christchurch with a keen

interest in cars, motoring and social issues.

I think everyone can agree that something needs to be done to manage the problems that have become

associated with some of the younger members of New Zealand's car-culture, but I also think any

reasonable person can see that the changes proposed by this amendment will do little to curb the

unwanted behavior and in fact could lead to an escalation of the negative behaviours that the bill seeks

to address.

I am opposed to the term “boyracer” as I believe it carries no positive connotations and is almost always

utilised in order to put-down or insult young people, based purely on their recreational interests and

lifestyle. However, due to it's widespread use by the public, the media and politicians I will use it in my

following submission in the interests of simplicity.

Submission

•This submission is about Part 1, Clause 8 of the Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill. I oppose this

section as I believe it to be a petty and vindictive punishment that will do little to reduce rates of offending

while wasting a vast amount of resources.

•This submission is about Part 1, Clause 4 of the Land Transport (Enforcement Powers)

Amendment Bill. I believe this section has been included in an attempt to curb the issues of the noise

that is created by the large volumes of cars that are associated with boyracer's weekend activities.

However this amendment does not address the noise issue directly but instead criminalises a social

activity that has been enjoyed by successive generations.I oppose this section because I am convinced

that it is not only widely open to interpretation and selective enforcement, but it will create criminals out

of our young people for partaking in an activity that at worst can be described as a nusiance.

Reasons

•Crushing cars, (as per Part 1, Clause 8 of the Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill), is an emotive,

vengeful punishment – the sort of behavior one would expect from a lynch-mob, not the Ministry of

Justice. Not only does it make no economic or environmental sense, there is also very little evidence to

support the idea that it will have any effect on offender's behavior. In fact it has been suggested by some

that this will lead to the hardcore offenders persuing a sort of vendetta of offending with a succession of

cheap, potentially unsafe and effectively “disposable” vehicles.

•I believe that the section of the bill regarding “Cruising” (Part 1, Clause 4 of the Land Transport

Amendment Bill), will lead to the criminalisation of otherwise law-abiding people and will very likely lead

to an increase in the levels of negative behavior. “Crackdowns” have so far only escalated the tensions

between boyracers, the police and the general public and this has unfortunately led to highly-regrettable

incidents of violence against those in positions of authority (police and private security officers). You

have to remember that many of these “boyracers” are under 18, immature and in the midst of their

rebellious phase, they are essentially disenfranchised and these acts of violence would seem to many of

them to be their only recourse to their perceived persecution by both the police and the news media.

This is by no means an excuse for their thuggish behavior, but it does somewhat explain it.

Proposal

I propose that Part 1, Clause 8 of the Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill and Part 1, Clause 4 of

the Land Transport (Enforcement Powers) Amendment Bill be removed from the proposed

legislation. In future I would like to see more energy put into finding positive solutions to this problem,

such as more engagment with the many responsible members of the boyracer communities (despite

claims to the contrary efforts thus far have been dismal) and increased promotion of legitmate

motorsport outlets to young people. Any future laws should be made with consideration of the immaturity

of some of the people to whom the laws will be applied, and to the effects that criminalising a large youth

subculture will have on New Zealand society, both now and in the future.

Basically everything that I have said in this thread.

You talk of "viable alternatives", as if the current law is viable solution. It's not.

Why are you placing the burden of finding a solution to the problem on me? I believe this law has the potential to seriously infringe on my rights as a New Zealand citizen and I am speaking out against it. I didn't sign up to single-handedly solve the "boyracer problem".

We have elected representatives who are paid to think and discuss and analyse the problems facing society, and based on that analysis, come up good laws and initiatives in order to grow society in a positive way. I have my own life and job and interests, and to put it bluntly I just don't have the time to write legislation for people who are already being paid to do it!

By making a submission to the select committee and getting involved with local groups dealing with the issue, I think I have done my bit to aid the legislative process. I have made far more effort to find a positive solution for this problem than you have.

The reason I brought up the burnout pad idea is because it is often rejected by the council as being "too expensive", which I think is ridiculous when they can find $350,000 for signs that tell people they don't have the rights to use this city's roads freely.

I do honestly think that a managed space for these guys would go some way to relieving the problem. I base this opinion on the fact that similar strategies have worked in the past (skateboarders and skateparks). Yes if it was managed properly it wouldn't be much interest to the hooligans who pop skids when granny is trying to sleep, but SO WHAT? Give the law-abiding people a venue and they'll go there and abide by the law. You can't blame these people for the crimes of others, which is essentially what is happening with this cruising ban.

You seem to base your opinion that this law WILL work on the idea that harsh laws act as a discouragement to offenders who are considering committing a crime (in this case the "crime" of driving around aimlessly).

If that approach worked then the previously-existing laws (the ones that prohibit burnouts and streetracing), would have been enough to solve the problem. I further reject the assumption that this approach works based on the fact we have laws against murder and theft, but society still suffers from murdering and stealing!

Just because I reject a law as bad, doesn't mean I have to come up with a new law to replace it, or even that a law MUST be created.

Give the kids a place to park up and have fun.

Police the burnout and streetracing laws and punish those who break them under existing legislation.

Anything more is a waste of time and police resources that would be far better spent on tackling real crimes like assault and theft instead of criminalising a bunch of harmless (albeit sometimes annoying) young people.

A more proactive approach to the problem? What have you come up with as your proactive solution to the problem?

I made a submission to the select committee on the cruising law. I have attended local meetings and a tvnz7 show that discussed alternative ways of dealing with the problem. I intend to continue to speak out against the demonisation of young people in cars and the subsequent hard-line laws that do society more harm than good.

What have you come up with other than applause for a law that breaches the Bill of Rights Act?

Proactive to me says blaming someone else for the problem would stop first. Do you think the authorities would be trying to combat a problem if it wasn't there? There is no perfect solution to the problem as, as you say, boyracers will always be around in one form or another. But they are trying to implement new rules to combat the problem. And surprise surprise the people affected are now having a big cry. You don't see anyone else giving a fuck about it really.

What? Who am I blaming? I'm just standing up for my rights as a citizen and for the collective health of our society. Blanket-bans on stereotypes solve nothing and have all sorts of unintended consequences; like victimising innocent people and generating a lack of respect for the police and society itself.

I believe the reason why "anyone else" doesn't "give a fuck" is because no one really likes to think of themselves as a "boyracer". People don't like to think they might be "part of the problem" so they take the position that it doesn't matter that these laws are shitty because it wont apply to them. Hate to break it to you bud, but every day there are probably people who look at you driving your car and mentally chalk you up as a boyracer. These people see you as part of the problem, even if you don't.

When the current response to lack of compliance is to just pass more laws, I can't help but feel this attitude of "I don't care that the laws are bad because they won't affect me" is disturbingly reminiscent of "First they came"

Now, I'm going say some things again because it seems you need to have stuff repeated to you before it sinks in:

• I enjoy driving my car.
  I don't cruise the aves.
  I object to this new law on the grounds it is an ineffective waste of money that will do nothing to stop troublemakers making trouble, while having significant potential to negatively affect the lives of law-abiding New Zealanders.

Rob, you're top of the class when it comes to insults, but can you actually come up with a better solution? You bring up some valid points, but then you ruin any credibility you may have had with personal attacks against those with differing opinions to yours

Uhh, you're getting butt-hurt over my wee cribbage jab? or that I dared imply you were lacking braincells based on your simplistic and shallow assessment of the boyracer situation in Christchurch?

Well, the reposnse that comes to mind is: Harden up.

Anyway, it would seem that it's fine for you to imply that I'm some sort of low-life who enjoys causing problems for people on the weekends, and that's the real reason why I'm calling out this new law as BS.

are you wanting a big circuit people can just slowly drive around throwing bottles at each other? Perhaps with a stand for all the 14yo skanks to sit on a watch you do so

I put it to you that you're playing up the "personal attacks" in an attempt to sully my "credibility" (they have credibility on the internet now?). That's alot easier than actually coming up with a counter argument to my "valid points".

I personally doubt there can be a solution to the problem until many other underlying problems are sorted. Until such a time its all doomed to fail really.

Ok, so after all that it seems we agree there are underlying issues causing this!

But your answer is to continue ramping up the heavy-handed draconian laws until these problems just sort themselves out on their own?

It is not too hard to work out that this hard-line approach is actually somewhat responsible for the increase in antagonistic boyracer behaviour.

What I'm saying is that instead of pouring money into screwing over foolish young people with fines and convictions, we should be spending the money on trying to address these underlying issues we both know are the root cause of the trouble. There are already enough laws to "combat" the boyracer problem. Making new ones hasn't worked in the past and it won't work again.

How many times should we try and fail before we start questioning the rationale of our approach?

People will never have respect for a system that doesn't follow through and punish those that break the rules. Writing off car related fines is a good example, just don't pay your 20k of fines and they will get written off eventually. That will teach them!!!11one!!

People will never respect a system that they feel has unfairly targeted them in some way. Do you honestly respect a cop because he's thrown the book at you and handed you a big fine? Give me a fucking break, the cops that people respect are the good buggers who let people away with their rego being out a week, or are decent-enough cunts to give you a warning for doing 61kms in a 50kph zone.

If you were 16 and had just received a fine for "cruising" in your 100% legit, reg & wof car, are you REALLY going to think "gee what a swell cop, I really respect him for doing his job like that"?

Those big fines you talk about are a leftover from back in the day when the police had less powers to impound your car or remove your licence from you. You used to be able to roll around in an illegally modified car, racking up green and pink stickers, peeling them off as you got them. All the police could do was fine you, so once people started getting a few K worth of fines they just stopped caring.

The system is better now, they take your car and licence off your pretty quickly these days, so people are unable to rack up the ridiculous (virtually un-payable) sums.

Why should people who amassed these fines under laws that have been recognised not to work still be made to pay off fines that are now no-longer dished out to people who commit the same offences? That's hardly just.

It was my understanding that the fines were usually commuted into community service, which is probably a whole lot more beneficial than drip-feeding the coffers of the Ministry of Justice over 15 years.

From what you've posted though you're half expecting someone to organise fun events for you and your buddies to do on weekend nights. Give bingo a go bro, kk-kolonel and myself will get you a membership no probs. Good times.

There you go again, characterising me as a thug who cruises the aves making problems for people, when it has been obvious from the start that I object to this law for other reasons.

If you continue to try and portray me as such I'm going to have to assume it's a deliberate way of trying to discredit what I am saying, as opposed to your lazy analysis of my argument.

Yeah we all went through the select committee process and everyone's input was ignored.

Bob Parker told the committee that the Human Rights Act "must be stretched to it's limits" in order to deal to "these people". He's not interested in hearing what people have to say.

The southern car culture peeps have been trying for years to get a skidpad built.

I think some people are going to have to realise that complete eradication of "boyracers" is impossible and also unfair. Also that passing more and more punitive laws won't solve the "problem". Just because you own a motel doesn't mean you get to tell the rest of society how to live and there is going to have to be a compromise between these people's rights and those of the "boyracers".

Currently all we have is a continuing erosion of the rights of car owners who society deems to be fitting a particular stereotype.

How come when a "boyracer" biffs a bottle at a cop, it prompts much gnashing of teeth, a nation-wide crackdown and new laws being rushed through parliament. But when a burglar throttles a dog to death in front of some kid, theres not a squawk from the minister of police or any "anti-burglary" groups? How come we're not taking a hard-line and passing some laws to "crackdown" on burglaries?

Burglaries have far greater negative impact on people's lives than a few snotty brats and their farty-sounding car.

The reason why we don't do this is because just the act of passing new laws DOESN'T STOP CRIME OR CHANGE BEHAVIORS.

The only way to prevent crime from occurring is to address what is causing people to commit the crime in the first place. Just off the top of my head I'm going to say a large reason why "boyracers" do what they do is because:

a) There's nothing else to do on a friday or saturday night. Drinking in town is pretty lame, financially crippling and the place is full of aggressive drunk people looking for fights. Plus if you're under 18, drinking in a bar isn't even an option for you. Staying at home and playing cribbage (or whatever it is old moaners like kk-kolonel and bzg-bling do) isn't an option either.

Breaking the law is "cool". This attitude is in no way unique to boyracers, and a hardline approach (especially one that punishes people who have not been doing burnouts/throwing bottles) only serves to foster resentment/create martyrs, which in turn makes people act up more. The rebellious, anti-authority attitude is also a pretty normal part of "growing up" - the best way to deal with it is to minimise the harm that these young cunts are causing and try not to fuck up their lives too much when they step out of line, so that when they get older they can still become contributing members of society.

Address these issues and you will see a reduction in "boyracer" activity. You will never see a complete cessation of people playing silly buggers with their cars, it will always happen to some degree.

If we could solve this then we'd have the answer to solving all crime once and for all, and I think everyone can agree that this just isn't going to happen.

Basically this cycle will never end, people act like retards, new laws get out in place, people find new ways to act like retards, new laws are put in place. Rinse and repeat.

Since you can recognise this, how about a more productive approach to the problem? What you're describing is just an escalating pattern of crime and violence, with the authorities playing one side of the shitfight. No one wins in this scenario, why on earth would you want to continue it?

After about 4 years it's pretty bloody obvious that the hard-line approach has done nothing to curb the illegal behaviour that gets up everyone's nose. Creating new laws that turn previously law-abiding car owners into criminals won't either. Time to get a fucking clue and call for a better solution to this issue.

Society has faced issues like this before, back in the 90's when I was growing up, Christchurch was shit-scared of skateboarders. They all did drugs, caused vandalism and graffiti and were generally uncouth and potentially dangerous. The council banned them from the central city parks and was on the brink of banning them from the city's footpaths entirely. Fortunately common-sense prevailed and they began to build skateparks instead.

Nowadays there'd be like 20 skateparks around Christchurch, and its been over 10 years since I saw a negative story regarding skateboarders in the papers.

Each time I view this thread I think I lose a few brain cells, its just so stupid its beyond belief

If this is the case I'm gonna suggest you just don't come back here, since you seem to be suffering from a severe lack of them already.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/road-safety/news/article.cfm?c_id=308&objectid=10574768

cripes, even John Banks thinks the law goes too far.

"I'm the Mayor for all of the people that live in this city. We promote good behaviour and boy-racers that behave themselves are not an issue. There are bigger problems in the CBD Auckland today than boy-racers."

when did he become so reasonable?

I believe you have to look at it the worst-case scenarios - so far the response to the littering/noise problem caused by boyracing has been way over-the-top, and with the police and their ticket quotas I see a very real possibility of this law being applied unfairly.

I don't know where you read/hear the twats complaining that their illegally modified car got rolled by the cops? No one on this forum seems to be like that..

You are probably right that if you're not causing problems/making a dick of yourself that you'll be able to avoid being ticketed under this law, but this law is like a sword of damocles hanging over everyone who even vaguely resembles the boyracer stereotype (i.e. under 40 driving a car). Couple this with the pretty reasonable assumption that this law will have little-to-no effect on the people who do rock illegal cars and pull burnouts outside retirement homes, and I reckon all we have is a big, expensive waste of time that has the potential to do more harm than good.

Since when has coming down like a tonne of bricks on silly young bastards been a good thing? All you're doing is encouraging and extending the anti-establishment-mentality phase that everyone goes through when they're a kid.

fuck yeah man looks epic with the facelift grill!

freakin' love those slant-front gx61 hardtops.

i drive my car every day. havent had any fines. its the behavoiur, not the car. apart from the odd exception, show me where people with legal cars driving along (read driving along, not lapping it up) have been in trouble with the cops.

Law has been passed, but hasn't come into effect yet..

if you know cops are going to be cunts on friday/saturday nights when all the muppets are out cruising, then dont drive round town acting the fool....its not rocket science. im pretty sure this wont effect 99% of the people on here, well at least anyone worth being on here.

Nice judgement call there, fuck I would crack up if you got rolled once they got this new law up and running.

My car is legit, but due to it's nature (lowered 2 door 1980s japanese car with alloy wheels) the police have been known to pull me up, grill me over where I've been and what I plan on doing, go over the car with a fine-tooth comb and make me wait and wait and wait in the car while they run every background check imaginable. Once they can't find anything wrong with me or the car they pull out the breath tester in a last-ditch effort to screw me, but I don't drink and drive so I pass and they reluctantly let me on my way.

It is quite possible that I might technically breach the "cruising" law, without even driving on the aves. My parent's live out sumner-ways and I often go visit them for dinner. A few times after arriving at their place, I have had to go out to pickup some extra's from the supermarket. With this new law, this scenario makes me technically guilty of "cruising" and I can be fined up to $1000 for it.

How is this fair or just? Why should I have to rely on the discretion of a police officer in order to avoid this stupid ticket?

Most cop's are good buggers who check my reg & wof and licence and let me on way, but there's always that one sour bastard who just has it in for me because I'm under 40 and drive an old jappa.

why don't people use ruapana and someone has to run the dragstrip/skid pad

Fair call on this man, but I reckon $350k could pay the salaries of the people required to run the place for a good wee while.

In regards to using Ruapuna for this sort of thing, it's apparently a real cunt. At one of the meeting's I've attended there was this chick who'd been trying for over 2 years (probably more like 3 by now) to get more access to Ruapuna and try and funnel some of this youthful mischief/bo'racin' into more productive pursuits. Additional Ruapuna access had been essentially ruled out so she's trying to get the money together to build a separate skidpad.

Check out http://southerncarculture.org/?page_id=8

Since when was doing phat skids bay considered to be motorsport. What a joke. Or are you wanting a big circuit people can just slowly drive around throwing bottles at each other? Perhaps with a stand for all the 14yo skanks to sit on a watch you do so. Yeah, sounds like motorsport to me......

Fuck you I don't do this, nor do I want to do.

I agree with your point that fuckwits are always going to want to act like fuckwits, doing skids outside kindergartens/old ladies houses etc. I never said building another facility would stop this happening, but this shitty new law won't do anything to stop them either.

If we're going to be throwing money away, I'd rather see it thrown towards the construction of something that has value rather than making some signs to enforce a crap new law that relies on selective enforcement based on stereotypes.

I used to cruise back probably 5 or so years ago. It was good times, would park up and catch up with mates. People were pretty well behaved on the whole in town. You still had the skids on out of town, but in town you could safely park up and talk shit. The scene slowly changed, more and more idiots started coming to town and looking for fights / throwing bottles at cars and shit. So over time the behaving ones left town and more and more idiots started to head to town. So now we have a situation where a lot of the people in town are there to cause problems. I partly blame the lowering intelligence of kids these days.

Blah blah blah typical "back in my day it was different shit". Yeah yeah, sure sure. Back when I was 16 (around 2001), I used to drive around in town with mates and there were plenty of drunk and obnoxious bottle-biffing cunts back then too. I also have memories of people doing burnouts under the Colombo St overbridge in the middle of the day - you don't see that sort of stuff in town any more. These days I still go driving on the weekends, although I'm only ever driving through town on the way to somewhere else - from what I can see it's still the fucking same as it ever was. "Kids these days" haven't gotten stupider, you just grew up.

Crying about the new laws though that are only being dreamed up due to idiots causing problems. Priceless.

I'm having a moan because this new law has nothing to do with idiots. Just driving your car is enough to get a fine.

Bob's a fuckwit, his lame, vote-buying "Hardline on Boyracers" platform has massively overblown the issue and distorted the perceptions of Christchurch both in the eyes of it's residents and those in other centres. Everyone in Christchurch needs to make sure that populist dipshit doesn't get to have another crack at screwing over this city.

Also I contest that Christchurch is actually any worse than any other urban centre in NZ - I haven't seen anything other than media-hearsay and Bob Parker's ridiculous grandstanding that would support the claim that it is. I recently stayed in Central Auckland for a week, and the amount of cars that were rocking no mufflers (something I've barely come across in chch) was quite surprising - but it didn't seem to bother anyone...

Christchurch is statistically the safest of all the main centres... could it be that the lack of much "real" crime, in combination with slow-news-day media/political hype has caused the population to become overly sensitive to young people in cars?

Yes Christchurch has Ruapuna but it's not available FRIDAY AND SATURDAY nights. Also I find it staggering that anyone on this site would actually be against more publicly-available motorsport facilities. The council down here pours millions of dollars (some of which comes from my taxes) into a Rugby Stadium (that I never get to use) which is the focal point for thousands of drunken, aggressive rugby supporters who, after every major game, make a complete mess of town, each other, and anyone-or-anything that gets in their way. Providing an ACCESSIBLE facility to cater to the (obviously quite significant) population of car-people in Christchurch is the least the council could do.

Read through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic and tell me it doesn't describe this boyracer hysteria Christchurch (and NZ) is suffering from.

your argument about the money is stupid.. Chch already has a dragstrip so get everyone to go there - but even if there wasn't one and the council did build something at their expense do you honestly believe it would stop the behaviour they are trying to kurb like cruising and doing burnouts?

Dragstrip ain't open every friday and saturday night, and no, you're never going to stop idiots from being idiots, but at least if there was an accessible venue there'd be less excuses for driving your car like a lout on the road.

Since when is throwing money away on new legislation that makes criminals out of law-abiding people, and doesn't have a shit-show of achieving it's stated aims something to be commended? At least building a night-time skidpad/dragstrip would be a productive use of the funds.

I'm gonna chuck your question right back at you: Do you honestly believe these ridiculous laws regarding the amount of times you can drive on a street in an hour is going to stop people from having overly-loud cars, street racing and doing skids? Remember that loud cars, street-racing and skids are already illegal.

I don't even cruise the fucking aves, I'd much rather rock the Summit Road. I just resent having more and more of my fucking rights taken away by a shitty, ineffective central govt and local council.

These new laws won't change anything, and we'll just get another round of them in about a year or two once it's become obvious that the current batch are (once again) completely ineffective at combating criminal behaviour. How many rights are we going to have to lose just because some motelier's on Bealey Ave insist on blaming their poorly-performing businesses on some kids in a car.

i have 185s on a 6.5 rim, i dont think you can call that stretch at all, although its the min width tyre for a 6.5 rim on that stupid LVV list.

ditto, LVVTA list is gay.

Blah.

This means if I drive home after work, head out to the supermarket and then drive home again, I'm at risk of a $150 fine. Yay.

Also love how the council can find $350,000 for anti-boyracer signage, but the accessible burnout pad/dragstrip that everyone's been asking for is just too expensive.

A few months back when they released the map of the roads that are affected, Sideshow Bob declared that they would be looking into getting automatic numberplate recognition into the traffic cameras in order to police the ban.

Wave goodbye to the Nanny-state with it's efficient shower heads and eco-lightbulbs, 2010 is all about the monitoring-your-every-move-just-in-case-you're-a-boyracer Police-state.

Only 2 grill styles for these, as far as I know..

This type, which is very similar/the same as the green one above^

and the big-nosed/weird-looking one like my one has

Could be wrong though...