Popular Post Roman Posted June 16, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2022 Thread sidetrack #1: The title for my our house/section might be available in roughly a month and a half. We've just had our finances preapproved again for another 3 months, as it expired. Been worried about getting our finances bounced due to changing interest rates etc. Hence needing to not spend any money etc etc. So that's a relief. Phew. So this is good and bad news for the Echo, it means hopefully the bulk of my housing worries are over sooner than later. But it also leaves me not much time to sort house stuff and do something with the car in the meantime. Once I've moved to the new place I'll not have a shed or anything for a while. So I really need to do something with it in the meantime to either get it mobile or make peace with it being dormant for a fair while yet. I'm thinking if I try fit stronger rods it'll end up having complications / cost / time blow out. If I buy an earlier motor with mechanical waterpump then I dont have 100% surety that it'll all swap easily and there are no complications with the alternator fitment and waterpump belt. So maybe for now I just get another Aqua one for a quick swap. Then when I've got some more cash monies I'll buy an earlier motor and put the good rods in it. Then hopefully get to a few events this coming summer as is, maybe with a little bit lower rev limit. Thread sidetrack #2: Also, a friend put his K24 swapped car up for sale. With aftermarket intake/exhaust, but standard cams. On the dyno this made 225hp at the wheels from 2.4 litres. So thats 93.75hp per litre at the wheels. The echo in its pre-blown up state on 20v throttle and standard exhaust made 141hp at the wheels from 1500cc... Which is 94hp per litre at the wheels. It's official, Prius motor is the new K swap Thread sidetrack #3: One of the reasons I've not worked on the Carina for ages, apart from being distracted with this. Is I really want to put a lighter engine in it. Turbo 1NZ seems like a really good option that will be really light weight, and tick all the boxes. I'd like to run an Altezza 6 speed box behind it, if so. So, I swapped one of my 3S bellhousings for a 1G version. So I've got both to see how they compare in case one's better. I've been meaning to take a bellhousing up to my Dads and sit it on the milling machine with the digital readout, so I can just work out the x and y coordinates of all of the holes. Then I thought... Oh wait I can do that with the printer. So I've got a rough-ish idea of where all of the holes are, and did the same for a 1NZ gearbox casing. The 1NZ bolt pattern is a little bit smaller on outside diameter than the 6 speed stuff. Not sure if that's going to work out good or bad for making an adapter. I'd also need to work out things like how deep the flywheel needs to sit inside it. Might need to shave off quite a bit of the bellhousing and weld something else on. Or something. Dunno yet, its a complex job and I'm feeling out of my depth. But will do some more research on it. The altezza's flywheel face sits quite far from the block, because they run a dual mass flywheel which is very thick. So it might be that the final overall length including new adapter needs to be considerably shorter. Which is also fine, as it pulls the gearbox slightly forward, and the stick is usually a little to rearwards on swaps. Anyone done something like this before? Any tips? 21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datlow Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Shit yeah Theres a cast turbo manifold on fb for 150....... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNAMUCK Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Have killed a motor or two, I can relate to your present situation. In my case, the car was sent to the naughty corner until I could muster the $$$/fucks to start again. In your case, option B is take donations from willing people. Even if just to score another stock bottom end to see your car back on the road in only 1 weekend. (Assuming it's not raining) this thread is more entertaining than sky TV. I'd chip in $30 happily. It really feels like we all share in your success. And every blown engine is a learning experience/scars have the power to remind us that the past was real........ 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muncie Posted June 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2022 Could be keen on a rear wheel drive bellhousing in future..... repower my commodore with a compound turbo 1nz maybe. Definitely slot something running back in the hole asap even if it's just to drive it to its next storage destination. If it's running you'll be more inclined to not cover it in banana boxes full of other car parts. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1nz the world Oh and cg13 the world 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, yoeddynz said: Oh and cg13 the world It's got to be time for a K11 1NZ. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 .... And a cg13 echo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingbrick Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Yeah buddy, slot anything in there so that it doesn't become a doorstop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePog Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 There is also the challenge of getting an NA 1.3 to run 13's.......? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deankdx Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, ThePog said: There is also the challenge of getting an NA 1.3 to run 13's.......? surely with 11,000rpm it's possible? the head and cams might get there in the smaller capacity if the rods can handle it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, deankdx said: surely with 11,000rpm it's possible? the head and cams might get there in the smaller capacity if the rods can handle it? Lots of compression and remove weight? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 9 hours ago, ThePog said: There is also the challenge of getting an NA 1.3 to run 13's.......? Oh god this sounds like a hiliarious idea haha. Probably feasible too with a good 60ft 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 +1 for jamming the 1300 back in for now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muncie Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Just need some rods from a bike and a meth scale balance job on them and the pistons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 So long as the current head and valves are okay (find out soon!) Then small blocking it will be a good short term solution. Which might show some interesting results. So long as I can find the 2nz specific parts I need,like the shorter timing chain. where ever I put them. Will need to give the head a pretty decent check for debris in the oil circuit though. If the head is stuffed then I need to buy a new motor either way. Been busy but will get it off this coming week. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 15/06/2022 at 18:45, Corbie said: need to get @Dolan involved in this one. Do wees on it. Actually @Ogre used to always spin yarns about this carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARDRB Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 22 hours ago, Roman said: So long as the current head and valves are okay (find out soon!) Then small blocking it will be a good short term solution. Which might show some interesting results. So long as I can find the 2nz specific parts I need,like the shorter timing chain. where ever I put them. Will need to give the head a pretty decent check for debris in the oil circuit though. If the head is stuffed then I need to buy a new motor either way. Been busy but will get it off this coming week. Can we have prius pistons too please? Does Max Pee Ding do 2nz rods? @kpr what are your thoughts on a long rod 1.3 with the 1.5 block? Most likely more expensive that what Mr van der Dutch would want to spend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Would be amazing for a big rev engine. but yeah custom rods wouldn't be very budget friendly. @Roman says the rod ratio on these engines aren't bad to start with. so a 1300 crank in the 1500 block would be some motorbike kinda rod ratio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 Did someone say graph? No? Too bad Yeah would be a 1300cc rev monster. A 1NZFE has a mean piston speed of 25.4 meters per second at 9000rpm. A 2NZ at 25.4 meters per second would be revving to 10,350rpm, and the mega long rod motor would be able to deal with it a little better. Doesnt mean its possible to rev a 2NZ that high without other issues though. But it would certainly be glorious! haha Also as another reference point, an S2000 motor that is built from factory to go 9000rpm. Has a stroke length of 84mm (vs 84.7 for 1NZ) then a much larger bore to acheive 2 litres. S2000 F20C motor has a rod/stroke ratio of 1.82 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roman Posted June 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 hours ago, GARDRB said: Can we have prius pistons too please? Does Max Pee Ding do 2nz rods? Nah no 2NZ rods available, and I'm fairly doubtful that all of my current pistons would be usable. Some of the bore is missing down the bottom on cylinder 2, so piston might have copped some damage. As well as the entirety of the oil filter and it's housing is AWOL haha Some good news while I've been stripping the motor down though, I found some of the rattles. The rear engine mount bolt has been vibrating itself loose, and my upper half of the alternator bracket had broken. So I think one or the other of those was making the recent noise, not the clutch or gearbox. So that's good news. 16 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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