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Hello there.  We are hoping someone may be able to identify our gearbox.  We have been told the chassis is an Austin Seven but have no idea if the gearbox is specific to the chassis, and cannot seem to find any pictures of one the same online.  It also appears to have a transfercase(?) on the rear to provide power to both diffs.  Yes, it has both front and rear diffs!  Even though we are trying to identify the gearbox, we would also like to identify the Briggs & Stratton engine model it is powered by.  We cannot seem to see any numbers what so ever on the engine.  Many thanks :)

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http://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/FORD GB 1935.html "Within the Ford organization the 1935 Model Y Popular is known by the designation 19E."

Googling the numbers "19E 7222" finds Ford 100E gearbox.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/car-replacement-parts/vintage-car-ford-gearbox-genuine-enfo-english-ford-100e-7651a-ref-if1-7n6n-19e-7222/1182378818

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Hello there!  Thank you so much @locost_bryan for your AMAZING help!  Now to figure out how to strip and rebuild it as it is stuck in gear :(  In the mean time, we still have to identify the B&S engine model, the transfercase(?) on the rear of the gear box, and the front diff!  Thank you so much again for your help :)

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51 minutes ago, locost_bryan said:

An unusual contraption.  Who built it, and what for?

Sadly, we bought it from a deceased estate.  We are not entirely sure who built it, but would not be surprised if the chap who last owned it did.  We had the pleasure of meeting him late last year, but sadly him and his wife passed away within a week of each other at the beginning of this year :(  We had been told by an old friend of his that he would take it to A&P shows etc and drive it around, but we do not know the specific reason he built it.

It is extremely unusual!  And being what we guess you could call 4WD is just legendary :)  Our plan is to most likely strip it, blast it, repair anything that may need attention, paint it, reassemble it, and use it weekly on our little block.  Oh so much to do before December!

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It looks like an early Ford box to me too, so Bryan will be spot on.

It's unlikely to need a rebuild if the lever is just refusing to move. Remove the top hat and you'll see the selector shafts. The 'magic wand' gearlever has a tapered ball on the end of it and pivots inside a bushing part way up the tophat.  It's probably just got itself jammed between two of the selector shafts.

If you're brave you could just hit the base of the shaft with a hammer, but the ball tips are fairly brittle so it's probably best to remove the four bolts and have a proper look 

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As confirmed by the other two thats a 100E Gearbox.

Having pulled 3 from cars last week, and one of which was "jammed" in gear, unbolt it - and like UJ says the selector will be jammed between the two, you'll need to gently tap it back into the groove. - I put that particular shifter into a Electrolysis rust removal process and then soaked it in Wurth Rost off & Ultra 2040. Have had it shifting smooth as ever since..

If your gearbox is genuinely toast, Im sure I could manage to get a complete box for you (minus the shifters as I need them lol)

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20 hours ago, tortron said:

Morris 8/minor sidevalve gearbox would be a decent upgrade

Hello there!  We wouldnt even know how to modify or upgrade something, but are not too bad at pulling things parting and re-assembling them (sometimes).

 

18 hours ago, Unclejake said:

It's unlikely to need a rebuild if the lever is just refusing to move. Remove the top hat and you'll see the selector shafts. The 'magic wand' gearlever has a tapered ball on the end of it and pivots inside a bushing part way up the tophat.  It's probably just got itself jammed between two of the selector shafts.

If you're brave you could just hit the base of the shaft with a hammer, but the ball tips are fairly brittle so it's probably best to remove the four bolts and have a proper look 

Thank you so much for the advise!  We undid the four small bolts holding the top cover on but it only lifts about 1cm and becomes extremely tight.  Absolutely no idea what is going on there, but will get another photo a tad later to show what is happening :(

 

16 hours ago, CUL8R said:

If your gearbox is genuinely toast, Im sure I could manage to get a complete box for you (minus the shifters as I need them lol)

Thank you.  You may be hearing from us sooner rather than later if we cannot figure it out :)  It might be worth us considering a spare box to pop in while we strip this one down for a major clean at least.  Would you like to PM us a price?  This is why we should probably strip this one:

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9 hours ago, rustisize said:

Had a ford 10 gearbox with the same rear mount.

Hello there.  Are you refering to the drive in the pictures below?  We would love to know what this is from, and wouldnt mind finding another - as you do :)

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4 hours ago, SOHC said:

Is this one of those NZ made cars?

Hello there.  Kiwi number eight wire ingenuity in its purest form, sadly a dying art as generations go on, but one we are trying to keep alive! :)

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These boxes are pretty bullet proof, they also take straight engine oil so I'd say pop the top off, spray down with kero and reoil

Pretty sure the Morris 4 speed from a sidevalve minor will bolt right on. They copied the Ford engine almost totally. The boxes are banned in a bunch of vintage 100e engines races haha

 

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3 hours ago, Little-Macks-Villiers said:

Hello there!  We wouldnt even know how to modify or upgrade something, but are not too bad at pulling things parting and re-assembling them (sometimes).

 

Thank you so much for the advise!  We undid the four small bolts holding the top cover on but it only lifts about 1cm and becomes extremely tight.  Absolutely no idea what is going on there, but will get another photo a tad later to show what is happening :(

 

Thank you.  You may be hearing from us sooner rather than later if we cannot figure it out :)  It might be worth us considering a spare box to pop in while we strip this one down for a major clean at least.  Would you like to PM us a price?  This is why we should probably strip this one:

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Hello there.  Are you refering to the drive in the pictures below?  We would love to know what this is from, and wouldnt mind finding another - as you do :)

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Hello there.  Kiwi number eight wire ingenuity in its purest form, sadly a dying art as generations go on, but one we are trying to keep alive! :)

If it's the same as my gearbox and you need parts, i might be convinced to part with it.  Not sure how it'd make it's way to hawks bay though.  I better pull mine out of wherever it's buried and examine it..

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On ‎6‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 17:20, Little-Macks-Villiers said:

Sadly, we bought it from a deceased estate.  We are not entirely sure who built it, but would not be surprised if the chap who last owned it did.  We had the pleasure of meeting him late last year, but sadly him and his wife passed away within a week of each other at the beginning of this year :(  We had been told by an old friend of his that he would take it to A&P shows etc and drive it around, but we do not know the specific reason he built it.

It is extremely unusual!  And being what we guess you could call 4WD is just legendary :)  Our plan is to most likely strip it, blast it, repair anything that may need attention, paint it, reassemble it, and use it weekly on our little block.  Oh so much to do before December!

Dick was a neat old guy wasn't he ? We did a bit of mower/rotary hoe swapping.

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On ‎11‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 21:42, bathcollector said:

Dick was a neat old guy wasn't he ? We did a bit of mower/rotary hoe swapping.

Hello there.  Yes, he certainly was.  We met him at an A&P show.  He had an old Villiers powered vibroller displayed, which was what sparked our interest to chat.  In a few short moments we were having an in depth discussion about Morrison Industries and Sidney & Jack Morrison, which quickly turned to Dick telling us about his 150 plus mower collection and how he still gets someone to mow his lawns for him :)

It was a tragedy that he passed too soon, as too his wife.  It was also a tragedy that many items from his collection were taken to a scrap merchant here in Hastings.  We have tried to save and keep together as much of his collection as we could, and have a few small items left reserved for when we are able to complete ownership.  We really hope we can put together our project before December, which will be dedicated to Dick.

If you happen to have any Morrison related items, or Raleigh, Agee etc that were manufactured by Morrison Industries you may consider parting with, we would be very interested, as we are documenting the history of Morrison Industries and would like to have a dedicated display space to present our physical collection along with the history :) 

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