yoeddynz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Fantastic update!!! Big thanks for taking the time to post up so much good info and photos. I love reading threads like this. Looking real well engineered. How much did it cost to get the adaptor plate machined Inc cost of steel? Looks like you've got a bit less room between the bonnet underside and the cam covers than I had.. I'd have thought the escort would have a similar height within the bay? How close is the bottom of the block sitting to the cross member? I made quite a thin sump pan to get as close as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hurmeez Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 @Transom I think I have roughly 100-120mm for an intake but I've taken the engine back out of the car to make the mounts so I can't give an exact number. @yoeddynz I think I left about 50mm between the sump sealing face of the block and the cross member. Again, can't give an exact number until I throw it all back in again. I haven't looked at it with the steering rack in yet so I'll have to check that before I make any proper mounts. I'm planning on keeping the engine front sumped at the moment but I'm worried about oil at the back not making its way forward to the pickup properly if I mount it too low to put a decent back to front slope in the sump. Sorry for a bit of a non-answer to both of you but I'll try to get you some hard numbers soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 I got completely carried away and didn't realise how late it had gotten. I got to the point where I had to sling the engine and box back in so I stuck a measuring stick in there to satisfy my (and probably your) curiosity. Dropping everything as low as I think I can get away with has gotten me a gap of 30mm between the bottom of the block and the steering rack which is the closest point. It's also given me at least 160mm everywhere above the intake ports to make an intake manifold. There are places with more but that's the minimum height. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxted Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Really awesome thread! Nice work on having it all mounted in there, such a cool conversion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Thanks mate. I'm gonna mount the actual engine and throw her down on her feet this weekend for a proper look. I can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 As he said.. Great work. Makes me wanna do another v6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 Thanks Alex! Mean's a lot coming from the guy that made me want to do mine in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Oohh you make me blush I hope you have the cad files for your plate so you can sell me one. Chopping it that 10mm thick alloy plate in a large bandsaw got boring real quick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 Sell you one? Don't be stupid! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hrmsd2swrdFrLON0P7ciTptTi4wF2z1I/view?usp=sharing That's the final drawing I came up with, including modifications I found it needed from fitting mine up. It now has a cutout to clear the thermostat housing as well as a couple of other cosmetic things. You'll still have to machine your own locating lugs and the flywheel will be an obstacle that I'll show how I overcome soon, but the bulk of the work is done with this file. Finally you'll need some countersunk screws to replace the thermostat housing bolts and you'll have to bore out the holes with an appropriate countersink bit to match the screws. That means you can leave it in the stock location and still clear the gearbox. Everything that follows is just to try and make this show up in a google search for someone looking for this kind of thing. mazda KLZE KLDE RX-8 adapter plate K8 KF KJ KL V6 bellhousing rx8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Oh wicked. Good man for posting that up! your measurements are much the same as the one I made except I used the stock v6 flywheel and just off set the v6 starter to sit is smaller diameter. I think next time round I'll use a rx7 bellhousing on an mx5 box so I can get away without a spacer for the flywheel...as Steve has done. Which ever way is much better than the ones from Claire which hang the flywheel out by 16mm (because she uses 16mm alloy plate!!!) Is great to have your numbers to double check against. What are your plans for the inlet? The one I made was simple but worked so well. Now that I know it didn't have to be modular in order to fit it in place it could be made even quicker and easier. It looks like you've got the room to fit something similar. I have a fella in oz and one in Canada who want me to make inlet plenums for them but its not happened because many other jobs on (let alone getting to play on my own cars..and now I'm away cycling in England) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transom Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Good progress and some excellent ideas to steal welding the standoff onto the mount - I must do that .... my mounts sit further back on the engine so have picked up another couple of boltholes further back also but yours look very strong intakes are the painful part - looks like so much room til the heads and bonnet go on ... very interested to see what you come up with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 I've been thinking about a double plenum double throttle body setup made up of two stock manifolds cut down and modified to curve off outwards over each valve cover. I think that might be an interesting idea but ultimately I'll probably be more likely to do something more similar to your setup to begin with. I also really like this sort of setup http://www.absurdflow.com/miata/klde/newintake13.JPG but I might be over complicating everything for myself. It's funny you mention the 16mm flywheel spacer because that's actually about the same as mine. I didn't realise that was a lot really. I just figured I gotta do what I gotta do. I suppose the other option would be to machine down the mounting face of the gearbox but that's starting to sound expensive. I hope you're enjoying the heat over there at the moment. We've been getting some chilly mornings over here on the opposite side of the planet so I'm pretty jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 16mm will be fine as long as you've machined it well and it looks like you're skills are top in that regard. I just wanted less hanging out plus it allowed me to line up the v6 starter without having to cut away the bell housing. But really.. Whatever works....works - and that will be all you need Yeah it's been bloody hot here. Will be a shock to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Oh hey.. I can't remember what ecu you'll be using but if it's speeduino or ms2 then you can use my files. If you end up with even a remotely similar inlet then my tables I saved will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 I was originally looking at a Link but seeing as I'm looking at being a poverty-stricken student next year I'm starting to like the sound of a Megasquirt more and more. I'm sure you'll be one of the first to know whichever way I decide to go though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Yeah for your application megasquirt will do every thing you need and then some. Plus, rather than just forking it lots of money for an off the shelf item you'll get to continue on 'building' your car as you have done so this far. So much more satisfying and now having done one is easily one of the easier bits to do (once I learned all the ecu stuff.. Which is always fun) and save a shit load of coin in the process. Id lend you my DIY efi book to read..but I'd already lent it out a couple of years back and I damned if I can remember who it was to. It seems that who ever it was has forgotten too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Oh and this photo here. Fuck it looks cool. Ropey old wagon on turbos. So choice. But I might be a bit biased.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmeez Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 Yeah love the turbos! They're such a neat old mag and yet I've seen more on trailers around town than cars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Dirty hands will make marks on your design paper. Otherwise continue on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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