azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 hi, i love my daily driver wagon, but the trusty 4A-FE is getting pretty tired, now that its just clocked over 250km, As received: Doing the do: Still starts first time every time, and sips the gas, uses no coolant and no oil leaks but burning heaps of oil (yerp, valve stem seals are fairly nominal at this point!) Apart from the winder windows, the only thing that i dont like about it (coming from a J18A powered Suzuki Baleno GTX wagon) is the engine. Plently of low range 'pep' for pootling along but no real top end. I want to get a engine/box and ECU etc all together as a known runner ready to bolt in over a weekend (+/- a clutch and engine mount or two) - im thinking front cut. I understand that any AE1XX front end will pretty much bolt in (higher spec wagons have 4AGE of various iterations fitted factory) Car already has 1600 EFI (4AFE) and various Trueno bits and pieces eg rear IRS/Discs, strut mount, lowering springs etc , and im not interested in certing so keeping it sensible. I also want to keep the good parts about the 4AFE (ie economy) and fix the bad (ie oil burning and a bit meh), and the body is super clean and tidy, and i like the colour otherwise i woudnt bother. So, given CBF spending $400 on new stem seals and gaskets, and i dont know about the cam belt, so tell me about NA 4A-GE engine swaps! Like: Im currently pondering Blacktop and a 6 speed, but only becase more hgears is more 2F2F, and IDK more than that How much to pay? (i see engines/long blocks going for like $100 bucks?) Obv all the bits will be more...but how much? Reccomeded wreckers? What engine/box combo or car model to look for/avoid? Why do 20v engines love to sludge? Why are Black tops better than Silver tops? I also need a few suspension bushes, but fucked if I can find a good place that sells them. Andddddd go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durty Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 LS1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Have you considered a 2ZZ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 duuudes, i had not considered those fine engines, mainly as they will not bolt in, nor be a 4A-GE, 7A-FE or cheap but mintly low milage 4AFE of some sort. But glad you got them on the list, and please proceed (no, do not want a proceeeed engine neiver) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfoot Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 7a-fe, drop in, swap computer, doaskid? not sure if its that easy but, you would avoid a cert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Buy a 20V, realise it's fun to dort around. Find it uses more gas and more oil. Go back to reliable better for around town 4AFE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTERUS Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 The cheapest and easiest way is to get an ae111 bz touring yo. Spiffy motor and box, fantastical interior. Racing on weekends, daily that bitch to work during the week. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 2ZZ vs 4A that^ is the PO's new car, he got the same colour and as close to the same specs as possible, and was annoyed that he couldnt get front winder windows (only rear ones). He still asks me about his old car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta63-1uzze Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 you will need a cert for any engine swap regardless if its bolt in or came factory in any other model etc... for an upgrade that you could possibly getting away no cert cause they look almost identical , all I can think of is a 5afe /7afe so a little more "cc's" . it will look the same and have a little more power but its no 4age. any "afe " you chose will probably have high kms and will have the same valve guide seals gone hard. so all in all I think your best option is to give your engine a bit of love. I also had this exact same wagon for almost 8 years, it went to 380 000 before I sold it and its still driving around now. the guides can be done in place with a home made crank locking tool and a air compressor to fill the cylinder with air (hold the valves in place whilst you change the guide). if you are handy with tools its not hard job to do. suspension bush's cant look past "sas" in manakau . they will have everything and I don't think you wil find cheaper any where else. they also do fitting if you cant get access to a press . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EURON8 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Pointless post but shit I love my 4-AF !! It's hoons along nicely and far better than I thought a 1600carb would. AE92s are oldschool! Steve said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogangeof Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 20-50 and lucas oil bra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogangeof Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I also need a few suspension bushes, but fucked if I can find a good place that sells them. SAS. We have a branch here in new plymouth and they are really good service wise. Can always get what you need. Dunno where other branches are. Edit/ beaten by ta63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 my reading of the rules is that 4AFE to 4AGE + 6 speed and LSD is borderline okish, depnding on the care facotr of your wof dude www.lvvta.org.nz%2Fdocuments%2Fstandards%2FLVVTA_STD_Engine_%26_Drive-train_Conversions.pdf 4.2 Engine modifications that do not require certificationA vehicle is not required to be certified to the Low Volume Vehicle Code,provided that the safe performance of the vehicle is not compromised,where the only modifications to the vehicle are those to the engineoriginally fitted to the vehicle by the vehicle manufacturer, that result in anincrease of no more than 20% in engine power output from the originalvehicle manufacturer’s specifications. 4.3 Engine conversions that do not require certificationA vehicle is not required to be certified to the Low Volume Vehicle Code,provided that the safe performance of the vehicle is not compromised,where the only modification to the vehicle is the fitting of an engine otherthan that fitted by the vehicle manufacturer, and that the engine:(a) is of the same or less capacity or power output; and( is of the same configuration; and© the fuel type is not changed from petrol to diesel or vice-versa; and(d) has the same type of fuel induction system; and(e) has the same weight, location, and centre of gravity; and(f) is of the same design and casting family of cylinder block andcylinder head(s). 4.4 Gearbox conversions that do not require certificationA vehicle is not required to be certified to the Low Volume Vehicle Code,provided that the safe performance of the vehicle is not compromised,where the only modification to the vehicle is the fitting of a gearbox orautomatic transmission other than that fitted by the vehicle manufacturer,and that:(a) the gearbox or automatic transmission has been fitted using thegearbox cross-member originally fitted to the vehicle; and some more on the next page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 20-50 and lucas oil bra done, but NZDM Moreys brO. Reduced the blue puffs, but not fixed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTERUS Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 4afe can choke on my trumpets, I like to be able to pass people up passing lanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 damnit i reread the quote i quoted. Mods to original engine allowed to add 20% new engine, same or less power allowed :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 still, passing would be cool... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogangeof Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Tidy car. Cover that bitch in silly cone and sell it. Buy a carib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTERUS Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Problem solved, you're getting a bz carib. Good man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzurro Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Tidy car. Cover that bitch in silly cone and sell it. Buy a carib. Good Advice BANNED 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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