Ogre Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Right, i have failed WOF on these little fuckers on my lancer. Sweet as i thought, rip them out, put some new ones in. I thought wrong. They are staked in. Ive managed to press the old one out fine, hoping there may be a recess there for circlips. Once again, i was wrong. Whats the general idea with servicing these? Obviously its not easy to just go get a replacement drive shaft etc. A drive shaft specialist can do something. Surely this isnt terribly uncommon with alot of datsuns and other japs with the staked UJs? Cable ties perhaps? Your feelings on this subject matter much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have done a lot of UJ replacements in my life but I have always farmed the staked ones out to a driveshaft shop. There is a greater than slight chance of getting the cross ever so slightly in the wrong place and causing a world of hurt. Shouldn't cost more than $80 per end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I dropped an email to howatt engeineering down here (place that does all sorts of shit, wideing wheel, driveshafts etc out in the hutt) as I have the same problem on the 120y. He said 250+gst to replace with new ones, not entirely sure what gets done mind you. There are kits availabe in the US which have the circlip on the inside (before the cup) but I didnt dig too deep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 ^yeah ive had a look at them, but its abit out of my technical ability to find the right ones, and no one here in Rotorua seems to have the knowledge/can be fucked finding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTorque Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I seem to recall many moons ago when I was an apprentice, the boss used to just weld a couple of spots with a mig to hold the cups in place. My memory may be playing tricks on me tho so don't quote me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 yep thats what I thought as well. Will probably take mine into howatt, unless I can find another place which is cheaper. A bit hesitant to fork out the coin as the joints are nice and tight but a tad notchy when rotating them. have some funky vibrations at speed so ahve put it down to this...... let us know if you find another option! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I seem to recall many moons ago when I was an apprentice, the boss used to just weld a couple of spots with a mig to hold the cups in place. My memory may be playing tricks on me tho so don't quote me. Yeah ive come across this too, and i have thought about it but it would be an issue getting things nice and centered. Surely it only needs to be out a tiny bit to create a world of vibration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Dan Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Give A.T.L. in the tron a call. He is helpful and does a mint job. Replaced both of my ujoints. Added grease nipples and fitted j160 slipjoint for my corona. Roughly $300 balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderwebfx Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Yeah ive come across this too, and i have thought about it but it would be an issue getting things nice and centered. Surely it only needs to be out a tiny bit to create a world of vibration. Go see Brett at Advance Steel Engineering on White St. He's on the corner where RD1 is. (Unless they didn't move to the old Leisure World park yet. He's not the cheapest but does a top notch job. He's done a few of the bits I've need custom made for the S12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 You can get them pretty close to centered by using the old install marks as a guide and it's considered normal practice for workshop repairs to be tacked in final position with a couple of shots with the mig, don't make the tacks to big as the heat can turn the grease into carbon. The re-builders will do a balance after install and is why most of your quotes will be $200+. You can do a DIY balance if the shaft vibrates after repair with a hose clip (just take it for a drive and rotate it to get the vibration to go), yes I know how rangi it sounds but you would be amazed at how common it is when you work in the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostchips Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Think i did that once, had to file the little notched things & beat the old ones out, then pressed the new ones in with a vice (broke the vice at the end of the job) and while i saw someone had welded washers on the ends of one driveshaft i took apart to keep the cups in, which would make later replacing easier i think that looks rangi, as does welding the cups. Maybe using a cold chisel to stake them in a few places could work but as i never tried that on such a modern car the cups might move & the balance would be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 Thanks guys, i think i may try this myself, and give the caps a tack. After all a UJ is only 30 odd bucks pending i can get the right ones to fit. I can always take it somwhere to get done properly if it all turns to shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 A dot with a center punch in the edge of the housing could be employed to retain the cups but the clout with the hammer can move the cups, this is why you see them spot welded in or a washer spot welded over the end of the cup. To check alignment before you tack the cups in, fit the drive shaft and check it with a run out gauge. Another option that could be considered is build a new drive shaft that uses clipped in UJ's. Fine if you plan keeping the car and using it as your coffin when you die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_si Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Go see Brett hamilton, advance steel engineering, white st, rotorua Failing that go see henry at dynamic engineering on allan mills rd Both build driveshafts brett is a top guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingbrick Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 For us dummies can someone post pics of all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 I havnt had any issues with it, its just failed WOF for play and after taking the old one out she was dry as a bone and 35 years old. Staked universal : Normal Circlip type Welded/Staked Universal. This seems abit nasty tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 are those coins in that last one? hah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepers Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 and the background is red white and blue. it all fits perfectly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 OK, slight update on this. Found a replacement bearing. Was a total pain in the ass getting the right size but ended up finding one. Pressed it in and spent what seemed like a lifetime getting it perfectly centered. Tacked in a few welds on the caps. Have just taken it for a test drive. Everything seems fine. There is a slight vibration when slowing down (i could just be to fussy), but it has always had that so maybe drive shaft needing a balance or somthing totally unrelated. All in all a mission successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatestben Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Just had my rear-most uj split a cup and drop all it's rollers causing world of pain. I'll hopefully size up a uj the correct size tomorrow and do some tackage. Removal was interesting, involved a grinder featuring cutting disk, removing the centre, knocking out the cups then driving a socket just the right diameter through the staked bits to flatten them off. Apparently had my vehicle been a few months older it would have had serviceable uj's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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