yoeddynz Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just make one- I made one from 2mm steel disc. Marked out the teeth, cut it with hacksaw and filed smooth. did not take as long as expected and was a nice simple srarngely satisfying wee job to do with music cranked up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Is there an edge on the crank pulley that you can cut the teeth directly into? That's what I'm doing on mine since I don't want the tone wheel way out the front 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I can imagine that will end up just destroying the belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Ah yeah V belt. Probably not then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Do as Alex suggested, you'll be able to file back 2mm more than accurate enough, the backlash in the distributor gearing will give more grief than careful filing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 I think there's a buffer built into the code anyway. Or am I just talking lots of food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Snap off every 2nd tooth? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 can you fit a hall sensor in there to read the orginal 20 tooth wheel? rather than vr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 My next attempt will be to just turn the teeth off and drill holes for a 24-1 or 28-1 pattern (I think I will get more voltage on 24-1 though) and just weld in some 1.6 or 2.4 mm diameter tig filler rods as teeth. In the mean time I put the car back to fuel only and bodged a few settings to make it not overfuel on starting with the ignition noise (ignore first 8 ignition pulses and no afterstart enrichment above 65 Celsius). Seems to have helped a lot, car now starts after the first compression. Not sue how the 8 skipped pulses will affect the cold starting though, but if the noise is the same when the engine is hot or cold then it should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Why so many teeth? Just run 12 and you'll be mint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 With cam speed you get half the resolution compared to crank speed, so it would -probably?- be a good idea to have a few more teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 It really makes no difference. You could run four teeth and still be sweet. If you're after all the kilowatts and screaming it out to 12k, running sequential injection and CoP then yeah, higher resolution could give you an advantage (depending on the ECU), but otherwise there's no need to overcomplicate things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Still better then dizzycrabs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I'm just going to leave this here for future reference/anyone else who's interested https://www.aliexpress.com/af/weber-throttle-bodies.html?SearchText=weber+throttle+bodies&d=y&initiative_id=SB_20190323183021&origin=n&catId=0&isViewCP=y&jump=afs 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Yowzer said: It really makes no difference. You could run four teeth and still be sweet. If you're after all the kilowatts and screaming it out to 12k, running sequential injection and CoP then yeah, higher resolution could give you an advantage (depending on the ECU), but otherwise there's no need to overcomplicate things. 4 teeth doesn't really give enough accuracy from what I have tried. But then again, I was using an inadequate igniter for that experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 tooth per combustion event is all you need for dizzy. ecu sees trigger pulse and fires coil. dizzy sorts the rest. will need to setup the teeth so you have one of them pointing at sensor when engine is at tdc do you have any external vr conditioners. or vr straight into ms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, kpr said: 1 tooth per combustion event is all you need for dizzy. ecu sees trigger pulse and fires coil. dizzy sorts the rest. will need to setup the teeth so you have one of them pointing at sensor when engine is at tdc do you have any external vr conditioners. or vr straight into ms? VR conditioner is built in to ecu. Also the tooth needs to point at sensor quite an angle before from TDC (like 60 deg or so) with megasquirt, that point gives a hard limit on the maximum timing advance possible. The problem with only one tooth is that the engine speed can change significantly over the space of 180 degrees of crank rotation, so it can really end up being a guessing game for correct timing. The original 7K-E distributor was just 4 teeth and timing controlled by the ecu, but Toyota seems to use a better vr conditioning system than MS, giving cleaner signals during cranking. If 4 teeth was fine for giving accurate timing then why does Toyota use 24 teeth + a single tooth wheel in shitty old 4A-FE engines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Because they can. Just put a tone wheel on your crankshaft already. The freeplay in the drive between crank and dizzy is going to be greater than any inaccuracy caused by low tooth count anyway. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownCorona Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 can you snap off the opposite tooth to the missing tooth and tell the ecu the sensor is as crank speed with a 15-1 trigger. thats what ive done with my dizzy mounted sensor (12 tooth hall effect wheel with two oposing missing teeth). unsure if 15 teeth is any better for the maths though. HOWEVER. i also have a 36-1 crank mounted trigger wheel waiting to go on when i also change the superchrager pulley for more boost (is doest fit with the current pully) because im 99% most of my shitty idle and roughish cruise is down to all the backlash in the dizzy setup and all the tricks made to get it to run thinking its got a crank trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 45 minutes ago, BlownCorona said: can you snap off the opposite tooth to the missing tooth and tell the ecu the sensor is as crank speed with a 15-1 trigger. thats what ive done with my dizzy mounted sensor (12 tooth hall effect wheel with two oposing missing teeth). unsure if 15 teeth is any better for the maths though. HOWEVER. i also have a 36-1 crank mounted trigger wheel waiting to go on when i also change the superchrager pulley for more boost (is doest fit with the current pully) because im 99% most of my shitty idle and roughish cruise is down to all the backlash in the dizzy setup and all the tricks made to get it to run thinking its got a crank trigger. Tooth (prior to removal of one) count needs to be a multiple of the number of cylinders, as with a megasquirt the ECU links a physical tooth with a "tach" signal (one tach tooth per cylinder) and then counts a set time after that to send the ignition pulse. This lets it resynchronise timing every 720/#cyl, rather than once per 720 degrees, supposedly improving accuracy. Since 30 doesn't divide by 4, the system can't accept it. And removing any other teeth to try and make it work won't work either because then the tooth spacing won't be correct. It's a bit of a shit limitation but that's just how they made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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