Pog’s X1/9

[ThePog]

No one is being helpful, I thought you were better people than this.

[Nominal]

Well, try this then, his parts cars has the wheel you want I think

1985 Maserati Other Biturbo | Trade Me Motors

[ThePog]

9 minutes ago, Nominal said:

Well, try this then, his parts cars has the wheel you want I think

1985 Maserati Other Biturbo | Trade Me Motors

I have already asked, again I am disappointed.

[Alfashark]

Probably thin on the ground now, but 33s had a nice simple 14" pepper pot alloy, with Series 3 QVs having a 14" with "spokes" and larger teardrop shaped slots.

[ThePog]

6 minutes ago, Alfashark said:

Probably thin on the ground now, but 33s had a nice simple 14" pepper pot alloy, with Series 3 QVs having a 14" with "spokes" and larger teardrop shaped slots.

 

I thought these were what the Maserati ones were at first glance, not quite as sexy without the dish and I think the offset is problematic.

A chap just down the road has some of these;

 

But again the offset isnt great...

[Alfashark]

The ole 4x98 problem strikes again...

I'm sure I found something else incredibly obscure that ran the same stud pattern, besides the usual Fiat/Alfa/Lancia/Lada suspects, but that was a few haircuts ago now.

[ThePog]

8 minutes ago, Alfashark said:

The ole 4x98 problem strikes again...

I'm sure I found something else incredibly obscure that ran the same stud pattern, besides the usual Fiat/Alfa/Lancia/Lada suspects, but that was a few haircuts ago now.

SEAT maybe? I wonder if redrilling the hubs to 4x100 and fitting studs might not be the ultimate solution. Or just get some decent tyres of the right size and not worry about it...

[Alfashark]

Maybe, just prior to the VAG takeover would make sense.  

50/50 really - Time, effort, money either way just in differing amounts.

[shrike]

16 minutes ago, ThePog said:

SEAT maybe? I wonder if redrilling the hubs to 4x100 and fitting studs might not be the ultimate solution. Or just get some decent tyres of the right size and not worry about it...

Was about to say might be worth doing a stud conversion

What offset do you need?

[igor]

You need some Ronal Teddybears mate. Not sure if they were ever made in 4x98 though.

[yoeddynz]

You could slot some 100mm rims and machine up centrebore locator rings to suit. Open up a bigger range of wheels.

 

[ThePog]

9 minutes ago, shrike said:

Was about to say might be worth doing a stud conversion

What offset do you need?

Current rims are 13x5 with a 25mm offset, things can move outboard 10 or 15mm without too many dramas, plus they have a 4mm spacer from factory that can be removed. With 175-70 13's they just rub on full lock, but the OEM spec is a 185-60 13.

[GregT]

Ours came with Punto rims fitted - with the biggest pile of badly made spacers i've ever seen. There was also a set of OE Campagnolos - with one bent and most kerbed a little. Got the bent one straightened and the others cleaned up and painted. Sold it with them on. Handled much better without all the spacers.  Campags do come up now and again - and there's at least one outfit here who can cut/weld widen them.

[shrike]

1 hour ago, ThePog said:

Current rims are 13x5 with a 25mm offset, things can move outboard 10 or 15mm without too many dramas, plus they have a 4mm spacer from factory that can be removed. With 175-70 13's they just rub on full lock, but the OEM spec is a 185-60 13.

Ok so if you went 4x100 few options that would work in that range depends what style you like

[ThePog]

2 hours ago, shrike said:

Ok so if you went 4x100 few options that would work in that range depends what style you like

Yea the options should be way better, bit so much dicking around to get to the point where 4x100's would bolt on. I am guessing that certing it would be on the cards... Altho if I was going that path there would be a few other things to get signed off a well....

[shrike]

31 minutes ago, ThePog said:

Yea the options should be way better, bit so much dicking around to get to the point where 4x100's would bolt on. I am guessing that certing it would be on the cards... Altho if I was going that path there would be a few other things to get signed off a well....

Depends how you do it and if anyone would notice I guess

My Ae111 5x114.3 conversation uses all factory toyota parts that bolt on so looks factory (well it would if it didn't have massive brakes etc) 

What do the factory drive flanges/ wheel flanges look like? 

[ThePog]

7 hours ago, shrike said:

Depends how you do it and if anyone would notice I guess

My Ae111 5x114.3 conversation uses all factory toyota parts that bolt on so looks factory (well it would if it didn't have massive brakes etc) 

What do the factory drive flanges/ wheel flanges look like? 

Thats the rear, the front has a spindle rather than a splined hole but the flange detail is identical.

Those holes are tapped M12x1.5, I wonder if they were converted to a press in stud if the bigger hole 1mm outboard would clean up all the threads. Looks like a bigger hole further out might get a bit close to the edge of the flange tho...

[shrike]

3 hours ago, ThePog said:

Thats the rear, the front has a spindle rather than a splined hole but the flange detail is identical.

Those holes are tapped M12x1.5, I wonder if they were converted to a press in stud if the bigger hole 1mm outboard would clean up all the threads. Looks like a bigger hole further out might get a bit close to the edge of the flange tho...

Yeah not much meat to work with, you could always mark out where 4x100 would locate and see if its doable

Adding more material would be tricky and potentially obvious

Whats the

spline count

inner and outer bearing diameter

With the Ae111 I could swap to Rav4 as the bearing inner diameter was the same and the rear Im using bolt on bearings with the drive flange from a highlander (FWD was Camry from memory)

Just wondering if there is another car that might work

[ThePog]

21 minutes ago, shrike said:

Yeah not much meat to work with, you could always mark out where 4x100 would locate and see if its doable

Adding more material would be tricky and potentially obvious

Whats the

spline count

inner and outer bearing diameter

With the Ae111 I could swap to Rav4 as the bearing inner diameter was the same and the rear Im using bolt on bearings with the drive flange from a highlander (FWD was Camry from memory)

Just wondering if there is another car that might work

There is a dedicated X1/9 forum that has been going for a long time, there is a lot of discussion of the problem and no one has mentioned such a possibility.

Modding the hubs would be a cert issue, and I would wrap it up along with a whole lot of other mods if I went that way. If that is the case then some bolt on adapters is probably a better bet, 20mm thick gets me into FWD offset territory.

[87creepin]

How about these?