Guest dreadedretard Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Could anyone give me an idea on the cost of converting a mk1 from 1300 to 2ltr sierra or cortina? And how much power it would give? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
si Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 2L pinto is approx 98-101 hp..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 take a lookie: http://www.retrotech.co.nz/tech.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dreadedretard Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Cost?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest >DOBES< Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Yeah i was wondering bout the cost too??im looking at geting my mates grandma's minty MK1 4door as a project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidian Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 cost heavily depends on how much work you can do yourself and if you can source all the parts you need at all and how much for. the finding out how much it all costs is all a part of the sweet agony of the experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 All most all of it is do-able yourself if you are half handy. You will need to get the driveshaft shortened unless your going standard 4speed. That'll hit ya bout $150 from dynamics in Rotorua. If you cant weld then maybe the sump will also need moding but you might find one on trademe. Gearbox tunnel cut back. All of this is doable yourself if you have tools. Before i did mine i did however go down to informotive in rotorua and got a quote. They quoted $1000 to do the conversion although did not seem to really know what they were doing. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidian Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 also price up some beefier callipers/pads and maybe want to think down the suspension path as well. new clutch ? cert is about $250 last time i checked ( a long time ago) but this is also when you get carried away with lowering, painting, exhaust and mods all in one go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerm Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 yeah thats my next project a 2 door mk2 with a heavily worked 2L he will need to mod/change gearbox mounts if you go to a 2L as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dreadedretard Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Cheers guys. My uncles got a wreckers yard so ill ask him if he could put a 2L togetha for me or a 1600 and chuck bits on it like extractors and carbs and stuff then pay him what he wants for it. Then me and him can go all out and chuck it in. hopefully. but i need to get the mk1 first and then get me another job with more hours. hahah bloody skools in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 If the sump is going to hit the cross member then you can use a 1600 Mk4-5 cortina sump and pickup, put that on the 2L block to get the hump in the right place so it doesnt hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerm Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 no shit... why has no one told me that! ... is the 1600 pinto different to the 2L? .... but ages ago soem guy on here put a 1600 pinto in his car and had probs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esky boi Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Yea, that would have saved me butchering my sump to get it to fit lol oh well, the motor isnt in the esky yet, so I guess its not too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkcortina Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I have done this engine swap twice. What you need to find is a MK2 escort with a 2l in it. eg a RS 2000, you will need the Gearbox and sump. The gearbox is shorter than the cortina 1 so you dont have to cut a new hole for the gear stick but you will still need to change the gearbox mounting points. The Escort sump has the bowl at the back of the engine but the cortina has it in the front you can use a hammer to make it fit (I did this on the 2nd engine swap). Other things you should do. Get the front struts and diff froma Mk2 1600 sport as the diff is alot stroger and can handle the power. If you want high compression then get the head off a 1.6l soc and put it on the 2l block this will give you 12.5 - 1 compression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alfa Addict Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 IMO your better off going with a worked 1600xflow,than a 2 litre. When I was just a young lad ( god i sound old ),I had a 2 litre in my Mk 1,It was mainly standard apart from carbs & zorst. it went ok but never had bull tearing power,certainly it didnt have any top end.But it did good Donuts . My good mate had a Mk 1 also,his was a 1600 that had been worked 3 times in its life ,to the point that they said the bore is to thin & it wont last a week. Well 5 years later & it was still going sweet.This thing had more power than most rotas or even more power to weight than many V8's.It was truly push you back in your seat stuff.It was capable of well over 200Km & didnt need a big run up to get there. But ok this was worked & you might expect it to go better than a 2 litre,but my feeling was that the 2 litre is a week engine & many that have been worked have not lasted.The 1600 is much more durable & easier to work on , & IMO has more untapped power than a 2 litre. So for you I would get a fresh 1600,Port & polish the head,put a mild cam in,then dig deep for some Twin webbers & of course let it breath. Hope this helps. Ps Did any one here buy a Primer Brown Mk1 about 6-7 years ago that had mint hotwires & eager's.& a distictive bonnet slit/Scoop.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Totally disagree with you Alfa mate... The 2L is NOT a weak engine. In fact is a bloody strong one. It's 'oversquare' design with massive intake ports give the potential for huge revs and they can take a severe punishment. Comparing a worked 1600 to a factory 2L isn't really fair. Both of them are great engines and have huge potential once worked. For intance, the 2L is non too flash standard making around 98-100bhp. But it can be worked to double this figure. Not many engines can do that. Is silly to look at the factory form and say its not good with it's got such massive tuning potential. I've seen 2L's take phenomenal abuse aye..I used to rev my one which just had a cam and a lightened flywheel off the clock many times. In the end I cracked one piston ring that was all. Not to mention another stock 2L with a turbo stuck on it 12psi not probs. Basically the 2L is a more powerful unit. I'm not knocking the 1600 as thats great as well. But if you're going to work an engine it may as well be a 2L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidian Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 RT your just biased as hell haha go both the pinto and kent i reckon! just depends on taste and final power output wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alfa Addict Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Ha Ha ,I knew id upset someone.Lets agree to disagree in this case Im mainly considering dreadedretards options.He appears to want a cheap easy improvement on the old 1300.So instead of having to fabricate this & that to put a stockish 2ltr in,Hes better to spend that money on a bolt up job,of a 1600,& doing a mild work. You probably dont need to worry about certification & stuff either. Bigger is not always better IMO.Take this as a example.The mate who had the escort.started a new project after he parted with the esky.It was a Datsun 1200.This thing had a wicked little motor in it,that when all completed made this very very quick esky eat its dust.this was a 1200 for christ sake.man it could go. You may have seen it wn the burnouts at rangiora a couple of years ago. But since then hes got bored with that & hes in the motions of putting a 350hp rotory in.bloody insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 I wont get into the Kent/Pinto debate as i think its just what you like personaly and what power you want. However, I am just wondering about this mk4-5 cortina sump. I have about 6 sumps sitting in my garage at home awaiting the chop. One of them is of a mk4 1600pinto. It is no differant to the other ones i have there. However there is a slight diferance between sierra and cortina. But not a very usefull differance. Maybe i have 5 mk4 sumps but i really doubt it, and they do not fit in if so. Also if you were to just bolt up a 1600pinto head onto a 2lpinto it wont last long. trust me. You need to either drop the compression a little bit by machining chambers, or buy forgies for 2g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bistro Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 You probably dont need to worry about certification & stuff either. Only if you WOF guy doesnt relise its a 1600 or doesnt care. i think its 20% displacement increase and you needa cert. My old WOF guy is also a Cert guy. You need to either drop the compression a little bit by machining chambers, or buy forgies for 2g. Or decomp head gasket perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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