cletus Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 What is the date of first registration on the cars? It's on the rego label Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I don't have a ticket handy for the cert car, but carjam says 14-Sep-1990. The car that I can check the actual ticket on says 1/89 and carjam says 25-jan 1989, so i'll assume the carjam dates are correct for now. Can try find an old ticket for the other car if needed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 From what I have read (which could be a wrong interpretation, hence asking the pros in here) the following documents and come up with my thoughts. Due to being retrofit previous to 1 January 1991, the anchorages must comply with 2.3 below, but not with an approved vehicle standard. So my theory is so long as it meets 2.3 requirements, it should be ok. Vehicle falls within table 2.2 https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages-2002/#table22 https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages-2002/#416a Retrofitted seatbelt anchorages that are not required to comply with approved vehicle standards 4.1(6) A seatbelt anchorage that is retrofitted must comply with 2.3, but does not have to comply with an approved vehicle standard if it is retrofitted in a motor vehicle: (a) before 1 January 1991, and the vehicle is one to which Table 2.2 applies; or (b) before 1 April 2002, and the vehicle is one to which Table 2.1 applies. https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages-2002/#23 2.3 General safety requirements for seatbelt anchorages 2.3(1) A seatbelt anchorage and its mounting location: (a) must be of a strength appropriate to both the motor vehicle and the attached seatbelt; and (b) must be structurally sound and free of corrosion; and (c) must not be damaged or distorted. 2.3(2) When a seatbelt or part of a seatbelt is integral to a seat, the seat and the seat anchorages must be compatible in strength with the seatbelt or with that part of the seatbelt attached to the seat, as appropriate. 2.3(3) In assessing whether 2.3(1) is complied with, a person in section 5 may take into account evidence that the seatbelt anchorage is within the motor vehicle manufacturer’s operating limits. 2.3(4) In assessing whether 2.3(2) is complied with, a person in section 5 may take into account evidence that a seat or seat anchorage is within the motor vehicle manufacturer’s or component manufacturer’s operating limits, including the type of seatbelt for which it was originally designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Bling said: I don't have a ticket handy for the cert car, but carjam says 14-Sep-1990. The car that I can check the actual ticket on says 1/89 and carjam says 25-jan 1989, so i'll assume the carjam dates are correct for now. Can try find an old ticket for the other car if needed though. Will be fine as its pre 92. Date of first registration proves the belts are fitted prior to 92, as it would have been a requirement to have lap and diagonal belts fitted when it was first registered in 89 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Great thanks for clarifying that, one less thing to sort. I'll get some proper anchorage plates to replace what is in there currently though as I'm not 100% happy with current setup. Just good to know it's not something that will need to be to current specs. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just keep in mind if you change it, then it's a modification post 92 and it would have to be certed as per the rules of now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Thanks for the info. Will stick with the current setup up in that case. If the underside of the parcel tray was flush i'd put in the required plates, but it's not close to being flush so easier option is to just leave as is. If I get time I may template it and see what the seatbelt shop have in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUL8R Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 @ Clint, lap belts from a proper 5 point harness in a factory lap belt car - legal or no go? Lever latch style like this; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, CUL8R said: @ Clint, lap belts from a proper 5 point harness in a factory lap belt car - legal or no go? Lever latch style like this; Unfortunately not, can only be used on a scratchbuilt vehicle with 1 row of seats or it requires motorsport authority card. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUL8R Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Bugger, ah well those be the rules ! Thanks for the quick reply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKAZ Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 hours ago, KKtrips said: Unfortunately not, can only be used on a scratchbuilt vehicle with 1 row of seats or it requires motorsport authority card. Re above. Can you used "expired" speedway belts? In a standard stock you can't run belts over a year or two old. Dad's got a couple that are brand new, still in the packaging. Yay-nay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 11 hours ago, CUL8R said: @ Clint, lap belts from a proper 5 point harness in a factory lap belt car - legal or no go? Lever latch style like this; Are you talking about just using the lap part only? Not the shoulder belts/ball squasher? That wouldn't be legal either as a belt has to be used as a set. I had a quick look for lever latch style belts if that's the look you are after but couldnt find any with a standard marking Your other potential problem is there is a rule to do with lap belts in the front of cars, post 55 should be lap and diagonal, apart from the vehicles that meet the requirements for not having to have an upper anchorage . One of those exemptions is, in some cases, a car can retain it's original lap belts if they are in good condition, but as soon as you fit a replacement belt then it has to be lap and diagonal. Have had that come up a few times where someone with a mustang or camaro thinks they are doing the right thing by fitting nice new lap belts but that tips it into needing upper anchorages fitting and cert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNAMUCK Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Unless it's a convertable? Say a 60's yank tank 'vert? If you put new lap belts in that they'd be okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKAZ Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, cletus said: Vehicles that meet the requirements for not having to have an upper anchorage . That is applicable to production vehicles, correct? I've been told by LVVTA that I MUST fabricate an upper anchorage for my belts. Yet I was told (some time ago) by a former LVVTA certifier that lap belts would suffice. As I'm not going 4 seater anymore I was going to run harnesses as they are cheaper than Web grab lap and diagonal belts. I'm wanting to know whether (if you use harnesses) they need to be "in date". For stockcars they expire, I can get some brand new expired belts. Also trying to find someone who can offer some guidance around the mounting of harnesses if I can use them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Theres nothing in the lvvta rules that mentions the date on a harness Scratch built vehicle 100% must have upper anchorages There are other requirements when you use harness belts which may affect your decision to use them, if it's just a cost thing CCM is available free to download now , that and the frontal impact standard on lvvta.org.nz should have all the info you need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, RUNAMUCK said: Unless it's a convertable? Say a 60's yank tank 'vert? If you put new lap belts in that they'd be okay? If they meet the requirements for not having upper anchorages , yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKAZ Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, cletus said: CCM is available free to download now , that and the frontal impact standard on lvvta.org.nz should have all the info you need I'm one of the bone heads that paid for it 8 years ago. I emailed regarding any changes (the copy is registered to my Mother) and got no reply. I don't recall ever seeing anything in my HCM regarding frontal impact compliance, but then again I don't have a very good comprehension of technical jargon. In saying that if I built basically a scaled down version of a half cage to the standards I have should suffice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 There has only been 1 update to the engine and driveline chapter since 2010 in the CCM Frontal impact standard is on the LVVTA website https://lvvta.org.nz/documents/standards/LVVTA_STD_Frontal_Impact.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKAZ Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Thanks Clint. All I've cut off is the original engine mounts and the original cab mounts. Rest is OEM mitsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tender Raisin Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Green sticker Wof - Car has been stickered for being to loud. Does the "modified exhaust" need to be certified, or can i just make it quite and its algood? Or does it need to be the stock exhaust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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