87creepin Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I've failed a wof on rust before. I just had to get the panelbeaters to print me out a letter on their letter head which stated that 'rust on x pillar has been repaired with welded-in steel plates'. ebay coilovers: can they pass a cert? I just want something that's a bit more adjustable than lowering springs that will be alright for looks and back road drives, not race spec. Following this article it seems pretty straightforward http://lowvolumevehicle.co.nz/resource-pages/suspension/ , but dont coilovers have to be a reputable brand? I remember reading something about them having to be a reputable brand, but may be thinking about some other suspension component! Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 That link is to a page run by a disgruntled ex certifier who got sued by lvvta for defamation so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what's on there I wouldn't certify a no name brand coilover, I dunno about other certifiers but in my opinion it's not worth the risk to say some cheap crap is all good when I have no idea what the insides are made like I have seen a set of china coilovers that the piston fell off the end of the shaft and it all flopped around and destroyed itself 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transom Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Maxspeedingrods is a known brand name right ? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linearentropy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Out of interest for coilover manufacturers. What about Japanese brands that aren't well known here? I've got some KTS coilovers which seems to be somewhat common in Japan, but a tier below the name brands, ie HKS, Apexi, Tein etc. Would a quick google from the certifier be enough to see that its not a shit chinese brand, or will i run into issues as its likely they'd have never had them presented for cert previously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Depends on the certifier I guess, and their level of experience with japanese parts. I cant speak for other certifiers but you can usually tell just from looking at something whether its shit or not , or at least if you need to investigate further I cant remember ever failing any Japanese brands on quality issues, lots of worn out problems though. Especially when 20+year old imports from japan got popular 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sr2 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 42 minutes ago, cletus said: Depends on the certifier I guess, and their level of experience with japanese parts. I cant speak for other certifiers but you can usually tell just from looking at something whether its shit or not , or at least if you need to investigate further I cant remember ever failing any Japanese brands on quality issues, lots of worn out problems though. Especially when 20+year old imports from japan got popular Hi mate, not trying to beat up the messenger (wouldn't want your job for all the tea in China!) but it does raise a question. I'm interested to know if you are given any specific guidelines or is the subjective "you can usually tell just from looking at something whether its shit or not" that you have to rely on? If so that's a huge amount of potential personal liability you have to shoulder and the obvious question is do you guys get any public liability cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87creepin Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Damn! No maxpeedingrods so looks like it's Jamex superlows til I can afford the good stuff Edit but can totally understand the reason why cheap coilovers wont pass here... Murica on the other hand anything goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 10 hours ago, sr2 said: I'm interested to know if you are given any specific guidelines or is the subjective "you can usually tell just from looking at something whether its shit or not" that you have to rely on? If so that's a huge amount of potential personal liability you have to shoulder and the obvious question is do you guys get any public liability cover? Yes, there are Lvv standards The car construction manual Info sheets Certifier email updates Newsletters Usually training twice a year NZTA sends a reviewer every two years to be present while a vehicle is certified, and the certifier has to show all their paperwork and recording systems to prove they are doing things properly Random jobs are desktop audited when they go through LVVTA for processing as well. So the shit/not shit assessment is like that adjustable spanner in your toolbox, you dont use it often because there are better tools available most of the time As for coverage, we have to have insurance policies for public liability and professional indemnity as part of our operating requirements 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooters Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Do you have big knights of the round table discussions with a team on the unusual stuff ? Where you all get together and see where everyone's heads at... how to proceed. Ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Yes there is the technical advisory committee that meets once a month to look at design approvals, people wanting do do different stuff that isn't covered by the rules or is outside of what the rules say, things like that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 And then after the vehicle has gone through that process, have some random Barry claim it isn't legal, aye @ThePog 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sr2 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 7 hours ago, cletus said: Yes, there are Lvv standards The car construction manual Info sheets Certifier email updates Newsletters Usually training twice a year NZTA sends a reviewer every two years to be present while a vehicle is certified, and the certifier has to show all their paperwork and recording systems to prove they are doing things properly Random jobs are desktop audited when they go through LVVTA for processing as well. So the shit/not shit assessment is like that adjustable spanner in your toolbox, you dont use it often because there are better tools available most of the time As for coverage, we have to have insurance policies for public liability and professional indemnity as part of our operating requirements Good to hear re the public liability insurance, it's becoming a minefield out there. The other one that's out there to trip you up is Worksafe who have been getting very aggressive - to say the least! (I've been working in the industry of late). I wouldn't be surprised if Worksafe classified you guys as PCBU's (I'm presuming you're not employees?),could be worthwhile checking what policy's re duty of care need to be in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cletus Posted March 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2021 Yeah that has been a consideration, one of the reasons for setting up my own workshop was to avoid issues around working at other peoples shops, we have to be careful on what we road test as well, if we find a fault that could possibly cause an issue then we cant test drive the vehicle or complete the road testing until its sorted out Stuff like that, and all the small procedural steps all adds time and dramas though, people get annoyed because we might get a car that for some reason cant be driven for a perceived small reason (ie a broken brake light switch) so they repair it and bring it back and then it fails the brake test so they have to bring it back again, meanwhile costs are starting to stack up because the speed limits in Auckland changed and it takes an hour to do a road test so before you know it, a cert that used to cost $400 10 years ago now might be $1000 and "it's just a 308 in a commodore, some came factory like that, why is it so hard " and so on Rant over, haha. 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 My old boss was doing a cert on some vehicle a number of years back, and during the brake test one of the calipers departed company. He saved it, barely, but what's the go if the car did fly off the road and fuck up the certifier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87creepin Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 So Maxspeedingrods are a hard no? Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Yowzer said: My old boss was doing a cert on some vehicle a number of years back, and during the brake test one of the calipers departed company. He saved it, barely, but what's the go if the car did fly off the road and fuck up the certifier? I dunno, I guess if the certifier missed something and there was an accident due to that then they would be held responsible as well as being injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 hours ago, 87creepin said: So Maxspeedingrods are a hard no? Lol I wouldn't cert them. Other certifiers might, I dont know. What sort of car have you got? A set of aliexpress shocks seems to average $700 by the time they are here A set of BC retails on average $1700 , but I have heard of them being a bit cheaper A cert is going to cost around $650 regardless of what brand So you might save a grand if you can find someone to certify them, but you are likely going to need another set when they spring a leak in 6 months time, or the lower bushes give out, or the piston falls off the end of the shaft or the car handles like shit or whatever. Then if you get sick of buying replacement maxspeedingrods and put some BC's in it then you have to pay for another cert because they wont match the photos on the cert 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, cletus said: I dunno, I guess if the certifier missed something and there was an accident due to that then they would be held responsible as well as being injured I don't know what part actually failed but apparently there was no visible fault prior to the road test 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTorque Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 That reminds me of the time I was doing a WOF on a Land Rover. Did a 30kph hard brake test, pedal went to the floor and Landy kept rolling, handbrake stopped it eventually. A hard brake line burst open length ways. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87creepin Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 @cletus something that has no business being certed, a 4afe ae101 haha. I'm just working out costs of lowering my daily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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