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Was thinking about people for example rolling a hilux and chucking a good body on then back on the road again as the same vehicle... which I see no problem with anyway just like changing a body panel panels except they change ALL of them lol.

Or replacing a rusty chassis with a good one keeping the body's plates. Do that to a vehicle a couple times and it turns a bit like granddads axe lol

another "hypothetical" situation is someone having a dead reg car, some live plates and a subframe which may or may not have a chassis number stamped into it which matchs the also hypothetical live plates. 

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So I’m guessing these VW extended trail front trailing arms are no a go for cert if the trailing arms are made of cast materials?

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lengthered to increase caster, centralise wheels in guard and supposedly reduce bump steer/ dead spots in steering on super lowered and narrowed beetles 

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8 hours ago, Seedy Al said:

What sort of car?  

Slash im actually pretty sure in such situations there is a form slash process to have this amended.  But I might have only made that up in my head. 

 

You're not imagining it.

 

Vehicles where there is a separate chassis with its own identifier on it, you go to VTNZ / VINZ etc (compliance place) with the vehicle, and proof that you own both identities.  They then link your body / chassis mismatch together.   They select one identity (I don't know if they use body or chassis identity) which becomes The Vehicle.  They then make behind the scenes computer notes, to ensure that the same vehicle doesn't get registered twice (so if you're using the body, they then ensure that the chassis identity isn't re-registered by somebody else using that same chassis/vin number.

I don't know how every scenario works, as I don't know everything about it.

For the Escort question which sparked the discussion:  no, you can't legally pull the identifiers off another shell.  Identifiers, plates, and chunk of metal with wheels all need to be from the same vehicle.  Otherwise stolen and re-identified cars would be even more common than they currently are.

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1 hour ago, Shakotom said:

So I’m guessing these VW extended trail front trailing arms are no a go for cert if the trailing arms are made of cast materials?

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lengthered to increase caster, centralise wheels in guard and supposedly reduce bump steer/ dead spots in steering on super lowered and narrowed beetles 

OMG you hang wheels off the ends of those spindly things?! 

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5 hours ago, Leon said:

You're not imagining it.

 

Vehicles where there is a separate chassis with its own identifier on it, you go to VTNZ / VINZ etc (compliance place) with the vehicle, and proof that you own both identities.  They then link your body / chassis mismatch together.   They select one identity (I don't know if they use body or chassis identity) which becomes The Vehicle.  They then make behind the scenes computer notes, to ensure that the same vehicle doesn't get registered twice (so if you're using the body, they then ensure that the chassis identity isn't re-registered by somebody else using that same chassis/vin number.

I don't know how every scenario works, as I don't know everything about it.

For the Escort question which sparked the discussion:  no, you can't legally pull the identifiers off another shell.  Identifiers, plates, and chunk of metal with wheels all need to be from the same vehicle.  Otherwise stolen and re-identified cars would be even more common than they currently are.

Some good info there, Yeah I realise about the hole PNT situation, car in question is a hq holden very similar to my DP pic actually... it is going for a rerego in the new year anyway but just had me thinking about the loopholes.

I'l probably get crucified for saying this but IMO there's certain situations where pnting a car isn' such a biggie, If I know a car is legally owned as has been pntd as a means to get a old smoothie back out cruising on the road i would sleep fine at night. Victimless crime unless your a dirty theiving mongrol prick then you shouldn' be allowed to share our oxygen, I am not and am more interested in the cars than the politics. ✌

 

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50 minutes ago, Carsnz123 said:

hey @cletus, What's the legality of building one car out of 3 and using the live plates off one? All factory spec. 

 

On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 07:44, Leon said:

You're not imagining it.

 

Vehicles where there is a separate chassis with its own identifier on it, you go to VTNZ / VINZ etc (compliance place) with the vehicle, and proof that you own both identities.  They then link your body / chassis mismatch together.   They select one identity (I don't know if they use body or chassis identity) which becomes The Vehicle.  They then make behind the scenes computer notes, to ensure that the same vehicle doesn't get registered twice (so if you're using the body, they then ensure that the chassis identity isn't re-registered by somebody else using that same chassis/vin number.

I don't know how every scenario works, as I don't know everything about it.

For the Escort question which sparked the discussion:  no, you can't legally pull the identifiers off another shell.  Identifiers, plates, and chunk of metal with wheels all need to be from the same vehicle.  Otherwise stolen and re-identified cars would be even more common than they currently are.

 

doesn't matter if all the cars are legit and not stolen, as soon as you cut out and swap a chassis number in the firewall, it is

 

(a) obvious to anyone with a few clues its been done

 (b) makes that car look shady from then on.

 

 

 

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bloody rules 

 

As a side note I had a we laugh to myself as I was unscrewing the ID tag off the crown wagon to protect it from rust repairs. the only other identifier on the car is on the chassis. I could quite easily put another wagon body on the chassis and no one would be wiser.  

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heres a good example of someone fucking someone else over by swapping plates and tags around.

 

a young guy paid a reasonable amount for this skyline, put some suspension in it , I went and looked at it for a cert, pressed on the firewall,  found this, told him to sort that out first, NZTA came and had a look, deregistered it, there was drama over who gave it a wof last as it also had rust issues. Purchaser couldn't get hold of the guy he bought it off.

Because all the old id numbers were removed, nobody knows if the car was stolen, or if it was  P+T'd because it was dereg and would have been to hard to get it re reg due to rust issues etc.

Cant remember what the outcome was but he didn't have a legal car any more, or any money left.

 

Has happened numerous times

 

 

 

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