Guest freedz Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 All i know is if i knew i did a shit job on a car and someone got killed as a result well 2 and even 3 grand would be the last thing on my mind, cert guys r there for a really good reason. They act as a backstop and filter out danger on our roads. Whats abit of money really, i dunno bout you guys but id spend more than 2 grand on piss in 6 months more like 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushrod Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Thats right you have to think of it as a helping hand to get your mods done properly If you bung something up when you mod it like suspension not only being unsafe but your car wont be performing aswell as it could be and the cert guy will see that and help you set it right It's all good if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trunk-rattlin Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 u no how u got to have a cert with a 20% power increase will the cop pull u up for not having a cert or do wof people? because how can they tell how much power increse u have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toucan Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Exactly! how are they gonna know that I've got a new engine? It looks just the same as a 1300. The only reason I would have to get a cert is for replacing my 1300 with a 1600, and aslong as Im not being a dick and speeding/doing dangerous shit in my car, then I reckon I'll be safe without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 yer, your right Escorta, u are highy likey to be safe, coz it preatty much a straight swap. But if they are gonig to have certs, it gotta be for all cars. Don't think u have to be speeding/dangerous shit to get pulled over, he might pull u up for sumthing else..... ...Check points ( not for alchol, but like reg and wof, driver licence checks) as with power increase, that preatty hard to tell, unless your car has a big F**k Of Supercharger stickin out, that wasnt there b4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sc@ Chi Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Yeah, for a lot of mods you might get by if pulled unless you had loads of them that added up AND you got pulled for being a twat. But, while we're on the subject of legality, check this: Say you're on the open road, and don't notice a school bus by the side of the road and go past it at the open road limit. What's the damage? Well, the limit past a school bus is 20kmph, so you're 80kmph over the limit. This is a huge fine. You also lose your licence for three months, mandatory. Your car is also instantly confiscated. You have to pay for it to be towed, and stored for 28 days. We are talking thousands of dollars, easily, for one offence. Plus the hassle of no car and no licence, and getting to and from work. I'm not a safety nazi or a policeman or anything like that, but don't you feel a bit more knowledgeable about slowing down for a school bus... better to know than not, I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Exactly! how are they gonna know that I've got a new engine? It looks just the same as a 1300. The only reason I would have to get a cert is for replacing my 1300 with a 1600, and aslong as Im not being a dick and speeding/doing dangerous shit in my car, then I reckon I'll be safe without one. An insurance company will look for any possible reason to NOT pay out should something go wrong, if you've got a 1600 in what's supposed to be a 1300 car then they'll find it in the aftermath and you won't get fuck all of nothing. Each engine size is designated on the car's data tag, yours will have the code for 1300, it won't take them fuckall to check the block for appropriate markings and if need be, remove the head and measure the cylinder bore in order to not have to pay you anything. A good mechanic or WoF guy will possibly check to confirm tag numbers etc. WoF people don't like being busted for shit, like most people don't, they incur huge fines if it's found they were at fault it's easier for them to fail you for something dodgey than it is lose their business entirely. I'm fairly certain that if your car looks as if it's been modified greatly yet there's no cert. plate describing or detailing the modifications then it can be deemed unroadworthy and then you'll have to pay a fuckload more than you would have simply going for certification in the first place. Well, maybe not with Escort's ... you could just buy another one but with cars that aren't quite as popular and substantial on the roads it's not worth it to try cheat it. It's also not JUST 20% power increase, ANY engine size increase has to be certified, even if it's from the same family of engines, the 20% power comes into play with intakes, turbos, supercharging, bigger and more carbs etc etc etc. Granted gauging 20% is going to be hard without some sort of dyno run or some such but .. nyeh .. I'm not sure how they figure that out anyway, I'm not a policeman. Or am I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymz Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 what do they check for at the cert, i've heard that it's just an intense wof, for a 1300 to 1600 esky swap there's not much to check really just standard wof thing's like brake tests and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toucan Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Well when I got my last warrant, the guy sez, "what did you do to the engine", and I replied, "me and dad were going to recondition the old 1300, but it was beyond repair so we had to replace it with this 1600". He didnt ask if it was cert'd or do any extra checks, so I thought it was sweet. With all this new stuff, especially what kyteler said about insurance not paying out, I really want to get it certed, but cant afford it at the moment. So I guess I gotta just drive safely and hope for the best. If I do get pulled over, I hope its by some old cop who used to have an escort when he was younger, lol, its happened before... "Escort aye, yea I used to own a 2dr version of yours... put a weber carb and extractors on it and she went just as well as all my mates V8's... that was back when you could get a gallon of petrol for 70c..." Lol, that was one friendly cop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WESTCORT Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 fuck yeah im always hoping that that happens if i get pulled over, would be sweet. Ive heard storys about ppl getting pulled over just so the cops could talk to them about the car they used to have.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushrod Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 It does happen in my old escort I had just set it up for a sprint day I was gonna do so it had 4 point harneses and in one weekend i got pulled over twice the first cop have me a fine cause they were not on my cert plate ouch anyway after a nasty fine, the next day i got pulled over at a random seat belt check point where I though I was really going to get done and the nice cop said that they were great much safer then the normal belts and how he had an escort just like this one when he was younger go figure anyway I took them out and never had to worry about it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYKOV6 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 im all for certification,there were way to many dodgy modified piles of shit on the road before it. ive been in a hot rod club since the early 90s when the laws first came in .all clubs and organisations had input into the cert laws . i think we are alot safer because of them. youve got to ask yourself whats my life worth? if you drive a roughly modded car i guess its fuck all. ive consulted with a certifier right through putting the chev in my mk2 cort. most of the stuff i had to do is mostly common sence. so it will piss through certification. its all how you go about it if you do it properly youll have no hassles at all from anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Yeah sure certification should be a requirement for modified cars. But having to fork out engineer's rates to have someone OK a well known and proven modification as a 1600 in a 1300 is simply over the top. WOF guys should be able to OK modifications that use factory or approved parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
si Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 as far as im aware, any mods done on the car before 1992 do not have to be certified, but still have to be up to standard, not tosure how accurate that info is, maybe someone could do a little digging and see what they can find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 as far as im aware, any mods done on the car before 1992 do not have to be certified, but still have to be up to standard, Yep that's true (I though it was '91 though?), but you need a justice of the peace to sign a statutory declaration saying the mods were done before 1991. I'm guessing since that's so long ago now you'd need some kind of proof for the JP, eg photos with awful '80s haircuts, or old registration papers with a larger engine capacity listed, etc... Technically my Mark 1 Esky doesn't need certification for it's 1600, disks, etc. I stll have the original declaration sitting at home - though I never actually needed to get a JP to sign it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYKOV6 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 all cars modified b4 certification should have a MOT[ministry of transport] declaration. to have been legal from then to now. the lvvta will be slowly phasing these out and even these cars will have to be certed. so ive been told but who knows everyone has a different take on the laws. my cortina was started by a mate in 1990 he had the rego papers changed from the 1600 to the chevy and the car has never been unregisterd. i might chase up the jp thing and see what happens ill keep u posted dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 yeah i cert all things that are needed to be and the rest is done by the book, if for no other reason when the cops pull ya up its nice to be able to laugh at them, cuase you know theres nothing wrong my old car had papers for chopped springs, i replaced all the suspension with propper stuff but was good cuase i could go as low as 70mm on sills to the ground, so that kinda came in handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYKOV6 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 HI GUYS i chased up the JP thing i was told that in theory you could do this as the law doesnt say you cant but whether it would work in practise is another story. if you could get someone to put a warrant on the car it should sweet from then on. but wof guys are pretty wary of things they dont know much about. it doesnt work for me though because if i want to run my car at any NZHRA national event it must be certed. ah well better keep saving the $700 ineed for cert cheers dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 yeah thats the impression i get from everyone i talk to about cert and.or declerations, if you can convince the wof man then your pretty much sweet until next wof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNAMUCK Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 My old RX3 coupe had a decleration certificate. The car was EXTREEMLY dodgey, but on the numerous occations I got disco'd the cops would look at it, scratch their heads, and send me on my way. All it said was how far it had been lowered, not how far off the ground it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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