1963 AP5

The problem with old Mitsubishis is you can easily spend 40K restoring one to mint condition and when you are done you will have yourself a car worth 25K.

Have to agree with cletus on this one, they aren't worth very much in rough condition.

It would be a fun project to get one on the road but you wouldn't want to pay much for them.

Does anybody know the whereabouts of this Holden Torana?

I'm just keen to know where it is.

I have been told by an old friend that the car was last spotted in Rangiora but that was a few years ago now.

According to carjam the car last had a WOF in 2017 but the rego is still live so must be on hold.

I’m guessing it is either being restored or is just lying around in a shed somewhere.

This photo was taken at least 20 years ago but I understand that when the car was last seen it looked much the same. 

It may even have been turned into a GTR-XUI replica with the application of the decals on the front guard etc.

The plate was NM3375 but looks like it was replaced by a personalised plate MYI970. 

Looks like the large jet holder is still available overseas

Primary Idle Jet Holder for Weber 32/36 DGAV, Large Size - Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies

52570.011 - Jet Holder LARGE fits Weber 32/36 DGEV DGV DGAV DFEV DGES (carburetion.com)

and Weber Performance in Australia still sell the larger jets to suit the 34ADM.

DGAV DGAS ADM Weber Carburettor Idle Jet (larger primary) Weber Performance Carburettors

Have a look down the carb barrels on a 34ADM, you will notice that even though both have 34mm butterflies the venturi sizes are very different between the primary and secondary. Insufficient air velocity through that big secondary venturi can be a problem on small engines unless they are fairly heavily modified and screaming. The carb is really designed for larger capacity engines (4.1L Falcon) but was a popular swap for modified engines with smaller displacement simply because they were cheap and plentiful back in the day. Mine works great on a 3.3L Holden 6. I have never tried one on anything smaller but I have heard of people having success with them on modified 4 cylinder engines.

You are correct, not all 34ADM's have the 2-stage jet, only the ones that were equipped with emission control gear.

The 34ADM has a very large secondary venturi and I think that is why it uses a very large secondary jet. Some small engines struggle with the Weber 34 because they simply can’t get enough airflow through the secondary venturi to make it work properly. For this reason, the 32/36 is often a better option for engines under 3.0L. I believe the secondary venturi is actually smaller on a 32/36.

I have never actually worked out the fuel economy on the Holden, but I expect it is similar to the original Rochester carb (certainly no worse). I think the Weber is more responsive than the original carb but to be fair the original wasn’t working properly and that’s why I replaced it with the Weber. I simply couldn’t get a kit to overhaul the original carb so the Weber conversion was a good option. It’s been running trouble free with the Weber on for around 5 years now.

On 08/03/2023 at 14:53, deankdx said:

BUGGER ME! 

i had just been reading your awesome thread (second link in first post no longer works, any idea what it was for?) 

anyway, i had tried(failed) one of these carbys on my gemini 2litre (rodeo engine) briefly and it was running rich to the point of fouling the plugs and sounding like a PP rotary  
i'll bet it had the vacuum port blocked due to the adaptor plate for the 32/36

My first thoughts were this carby was HEAPS more responsive than the 32/36 i ended up with (dyno tuners choice, he said they'd flow similar, and the smaller primary on the 32/36 would better suit the 2 litre..)

i had started trying to remove the power valve(interference fit) and gave up.. bought another carby but was persuaded to go to the 32/36 by the tuner. (lucky i didn't try fit the second 34ADM as it would have done the same. 

Brilliant thread @1963 AP5 I'm glad you took the time to document it and explain it so well. (i'm expecting that carb to be fine albeit with plier marks all over the power valve boss   ) 

 

Thanks for your kind words.

The second link was for a special large jet holder that fits in place of the original 2 stage low speed jet solenoid assembly. They used to be available off the shelf but maybe there isn't enough demand anymore to keep making/selling them. It is possible to make a suitable jet holder if you measure up carefully and have acess to a lathe.

Here is an example of a transmission with the Starion extension housing fitted.

Between the N/A transmission that you already have and the wide block turbo version you should have everything you need to make it happen.

A few pictures for you, looks to be in reasonable order

You will need to swap over the extension housing from your N/A transmission to get the shifter position correct for the Starion.

Nice, it's all yours.

If you don't have a use for the N/A narrow block flywheel and clutch, I can give it a good home.

I have a feeling @MaxPower may have the flywheel that you need for your wide block turbo engine.

He has a fine stash of Mitsubishi goodies so it might be worth touching base with him.

This might be helpful; you can measure across the bellhousing at the lower bolt location to see what you have.

The photos below show the difference between the transmission found in a lot of N/A applications and the turbo version.  

Hey just a thought and maybe you have already thought of this but your N/A transmission may not work with the turbo engine.

I believe that N/A engines are often a narrow block design (but not always) while the turbos are a wide block.

The bellhousing may not bolt up to the turbo engine so it might pay to do some measuring to see what you actually have.

The gear ratos are also diferent for the turbo engine.

I have a transmission under my workbench that I believe is a wide block Turbo Starion item so let me know if you want to grab it.

Free to a good home if you are willing to collect or ship it from Matata in the Bay of Plenty. 

When I first started following your build thread I have to admit I thought you were mad and there was no way the car would ever see the road. It seemed like a basket case. It looks like you are well on the way to proving me wrong so well done. This is going to be an awesome car! 

For what it's worth I like the Hotwires, I've never seen a Mustang with Cheviot wheels on it before and it makes me smile.

Gives it a down under feel!

Loving the car - well done so far!!

Sounds about right, one of my mates got a R32 GTS4 around the same time.

I wonder what you paid for one as a fresh import back in the day?

Mate good score!

I used to drive a Z32 2+0 T-Top back in the days before kids arrived.

I want another and I am pretty sure in my case it is definitely a midlife crisis thing

This was my one

2 hours ago, cletus said:

Which countries have those rules @1963 AP5? 

I understand that restrictions on the use of older vehicles are becoming common right across Europe in the form of low emission zones.

Most (but not all) have some exemptions for classic/vintage/historic vehicles.

The concern is that NZ seems to be adopting a lot of environmental policy from Europe and It's certainly possible that NZ could adopt a similar model.

10 hours ago, Otodat said:

Is there an implication here that vehicles over a certain age are not going to be allowed for normal use?

This has already happened in some countries and there is real concern amongst the classic and vintage car community that it could happen here at some point in time. To the best of my knowledge the NZ Government hasn’t suggested this yet, but I understand that the minister has indicated that they are looking at how the use of vintage and classic vehicles is being managed in other countries. In some countries you are only allowed to drive a classic/vintage car or Hot Rod to and from shows and events and we wouldn’t want that to happen here.

I know a couple of the larger New Zealand Car/Hot Rod Clubs are taking this issue seriously. I attended the VCCNZ AGM last year in Christchurch and the March executive meeting (held online) a few weeks ago and these matters were discussed at both meetings.  

The topic of the environmental impact of our hobby was discussed at the VCCNZ AGM in Christchurch last year with specific reference to the new import laws. The simple fact is that most of us drive our hobby cars infrequently (normally on the weekends) and that is very different from a daily driver. Sure, my Valiant is a gas guzzler and not anywhere near as clean to run as my late model car but I’ll bet the late model car does more environmental damage than the 1960’s gas guzzler simply because it is on the road every day. For me the environmental argument just doesn’t stack up when you are talking about hobby cars and the environmental benefit that would result from restricting the use of these vehicles would be negligible.

Good news is the Government aren’t completely ignoring the issue and I don’t think they have any intention of killing our hobby. I wouldn’t be surprised however, if at some point in the future, you will need to be an active member of a recognised car club to drive a classic or vintage motor vehicle in NZ. I know this type of legislation is already proposed or maybe even in force in some countries.

Yep I have certainly run it at WOT.

I have my doubts about the accuracy of the gauge, you can see in the picture below that it doesn’t sit at zero without the engine running so it is probably under reading by a couple of pounds.

The real number could easily be closer to 7.

Updates are coming thick and fast at the moment. Got all of the manifolds installed and refitted the distributor. Also installed the last of the supercharger brackets so everything is nice and secure, you can now see how much fiddling around was involved in getting all of this to fit nicely in the passengers side of the engine bay. Now to get the fuel delivery system installed.