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    Petition to the Minister of Regulation on WOF, VIN and Collectible Cars

    in General Car Chat

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    1 hour ago, cletus said:

    if i recall correctly, the reason for going to 12month wofs was to encourage people to buy a later model, safer car

    now that time has passed, 2000 isnt a newish car any more...

     

    i did read something recently that suggested that the year should be changed again to make cars over 10 years old or whatever number they came up with go back to 6 month wofs

     

    i agree the cert thing would be better if it was cheaper to do cert updates, and i think that was part of the idea going to the new EDP system, but it unfortunately has not happened, it still costs a certifier the same amount to submit a cert every time, and due to some inconsistencies with different certifiers, it can sometimes take longer than just starting from scratch to do a re cert

    Yea I have no worries paying for a cert as I know the cert guy still needs paid and everything is expensive now and every little thing adds up. just be mint if there was a simpler system based on how most people actually build a car. but to be honest maybe a lot of people do build there car in one go? haha

    Petition to the Minister of Regulation on WOF, VIN and Collectible Cars

    in General Car Chat

    Posted

    Lets be honest the things they are partitioning for will be way more than they actually want/expect to get through. You know if it goes through it wont be exactly what they asked for. You have to go for more then let the big wigs have their say and feel important and they will come back with a offer which will be close to what you actually wanted/expected.

    All valid points on both sides of the argument, most of my family have cars over 2000 so yearly wofs and some of there cars are falling to bits rough as guts, all my / wifes cars are earlier than 2000 so all on 6 monthly wofs we have some immaculate cars and look after them pretty well. Really doesn't make sense why we are on 6 month wofs and the ones who don't care about their vehicles are on yearly with cars. every car should have the same wof frequency.

    The problem I have with certs is how many of us actually have the money to build the car we want in one go? For instance we certed one of our cars for coilovers and wheels adjustable arms etc. a year later we changed wheel size, we should be going to get cert updated for this but haven't yet. We have now also done more mods so will go for re cert in the near future but it is just another thing to keep up with. In the perfect world you would cert everything in one go and be done with it but that is not a reality for most of us car people. I am not sure how the system could be improved regarding this but just my thoughts.

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    Rotary piner thread.

    in General Car Chat

    Posted

    On 09/01/2024 at 17:11, rotormotor said:

    I can't decipher if he has a side hustle paying job, or does customer cars  in his workshop or just has a priviledged life lol.

     

    Cant see any room for customers cars.

     

    Has as many projects as Mr Hol does!!

    He said he recently stopped doing customers cars to focus on YouTube and his stuff

    For Questions Regarding WOFs/CERTs/NUMBER PLATEs

    in Tech Talk

    Posted

    25 minutes ago, cletus said:

    I can see why nzta have done what they have done, even if I don't like it or totally agree with it.

    It's not hard to see that adding steel bars and 5mm thick steel plates to the front of a vehicle, makes it less safe for pedestrians and cyclists. Given their recent focus on lowering speed limits on "the road to zero" this is not surprising. 

    It also makes sense that any modifications that are made to a vehicle should be checked to make sure it hasn't affected the vehicle in a negative way

    Up until now, for cert, this has meant making sure the bumper doesn't have sharp edges and it doesn't affect the crumple zone. Recently there was emphasis put on making sure bars didn't lean forward causing a pedestrian trap.

    On NA class vehicles, there was nothing about making sure air bag operation was not affected. This has been the part that has now changed, so it's either got to be factory, or have a bar that's been tested to still comply with a frontal impact standard (ie ARB or similar bar with an ADR sticker on it.)

    Lvvta or certifiers do not have the means to figure out if a bar complies with that, so we can't say it's OK, the responsibility goes back to the manufacturer to prove their product complies 

     

    A fictitious but potentially feasible story-

    guy with a fully sick lifted hilux wants a custom bar, but when he slides off the road and into a tree and the airbag doesn't go off at the right time and he dies, his mum gets upset and starts blaming everyone but the son for his truck having this bar. Then the process of "who's fault is it?" starts.

    The guy who made it "it got a wof. Not my fault"

    Wof guy. "it was certed. Not my fault"

    The certifier. "I followed the requirements at the time. Not my fault"

    Lvvta. "These were the rules we had at the time which are approved by nzta. Not our fault" 

    Nzta " well we had better make sure these bars don't affect how the air bags deploy, we can't test every single ute and bar combo and it's not our job anyway, must have proof of testing now"

     

    But then could you just get around all this by certing an aftermarket steering wheel without an airbag? If you can cert removing the drivers airbag can you not cert removing any other ones?

    Two post hoist in home garage (questions).

    in General Car Chat

    Posted

    57 minutes ago, xsspeed said:

    for a 4 post id be less worried about concrete depth, youre spreading the car load over 4 contact patches just like the tyres, doubt the concrete will notice. Tipping forces less of a worry on 4 post too so pull out (giggity) not such a worry

    Exactly the weights over 4 big base plates. Way better than a trolley jack lifting half if not more a cars weight on a single small point load. 

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    Two post hoist in home garage (questions).

    in General Car Chat

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    Well I just bought a 4 post and assembled it. Finally got it running in the weekend. I got one with castors as they say you can move hoist out of the way etc. Read online and it's 50/50 weather to bolt a 4 post down. But after assembling mine I would still bolt it down it was pretty wobbly so not great. Bolted it down cause in reality I'm not going to move it and it's now sturdy as. Also ramps aren't long enough so bottomed two low cars out so far getting them on. But nothing a bit of ply halfway up the ramp doesn't sort. Made a job of changing an exhaust that would have take a whole day on my back squashed under the car to about an hour. Such a game changer

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